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Early Alert: New CFV-II

Thanks Marc. Your lighting / modelling set-up produces a great effect.

So, now we know the CFV-II is arriving, do we know the actual specifications or is speculation still the best guide we have? Marc, were you quoted a detailed spec or differences to the model I (my apologies if I am a bit behind in all of this but I have been out of action a lot lately)?
 
Simon

There are not even the quitest rumors about a CFV-II here in Germany .
And of course nothing on the HASSELBLAD homepage . The U.S. market has always been the key market for HASSELBLAD . Think of the launch of the 1600F/1000F cameras .

Regards Jürgen
 
Thanks Marc. Your lighting / modelling set-up produces a great effect.

So, now we know the CFV-II is arriving, do we know the actual specifications or is speculation still the best guide we have? Marc, were you quoted a detailed spec or differences to the model I (my apologies if I am a bit behind in all of this but I have been out of action a lot lately)?

Simon, I hope you are not seriously ill or something, and If so are speeding to recovery.

The CFV is a refresh, not a new back. It replaces the 2.2" LCD with a slightly larger 2.5", higher resolution LCD ... which all of the CF22/39 backs now also have.

Of more importance according to my Hasselblad contacts is the improved front filter ... this is the same new filter that was included in the H3D-II backs. It is suppose to dampen internal reflections and reduce specular blooming while increasing contrast and color saturation. People on the Hasselblad Digital forum seem to think it is a good improvement, as many wish to upgrade their H3D backs by having the filter replaced.

Like all Hasselblad backs, the CFV will benefit from the quantum leap that the Phocus software brings to the party. I have not heard when the boost in ISO by a stop is supposed to happen ... but Phocus is still in public Beta and already has been upgraded a couple of times. The latest version now includes Live View and the color controls are nothing short of amazing.
 
Marc

If I understand you correct , this new filter sits on the top of the sensor .
If there will be a chance to replace the old against the new filter , will this be limited to the high end backs for the H-SYSTEM or will this also be an option for existing CFV backs ? ? ?
 
Marc

If I understand you correct , this new filter sits on the top of the sensor .
If there will be a chance to replace the old against the new filter , will this be limited to the high end backs for the H-SYSTEM or will this also be an option for existing CFV backs ? ? ?

I have no idea if Hasselblad will offer this service option for the CFV. I doubt they want hundreds of CFVs flooding their service department for filter swaps. I think there was speculation that it wouldn't be offered for the big backs either... unless you damaged the front filter.

I recently scratched the front filter of my H3D-II/39 (don't ask, it just makes me sick), and it's going off to Sweden for a month to be replaced ... my dealer said he thinks the price is about $500. but is checking that for me.
 
Here's the Official Product Release ... some ergonomic and electronic tweaking also done. Mine should be here late next week or early the following week ... very exciting.
 

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? What will be the 500cwd ? It was a limited (500 ex.) colector edition for the 50 years.

Now a new colector product ?
 
Even though its been discussed here for quite some time, seeing the "official" press release for the unit brings excitement and disappointment. On one hand it's something "new" for the V-series Hasselblad. On the other hand it's the same unit with a couple improvements. Why didn't they just give us what we wanted, like a 48x48 sensor?
 
It is interesting that the 503CW body is being continued. Are these made from existing parts or is part production being outsoured and final assembly in Sweden? China? Japan?. Are all of the 503 accessories still being made..ie winder, PME-45, lenses, etc? I would seem to me that the existing 500xxx systems would be a large enough marked for the "square" digital backs.

Steve
 
"but Phocus is still in public Beta and already has been upgraded a couple of times. The latest version now includes Live View and the color controls are nothing short of amazing."

What is the latest version? I am running V1.0b11..is there a later version?

Steve
 
Nathan

A 48x48 mm sensor is not available yet , but it might be that there will be a big jump to a bigger square sensor . Think of Hy6 SINAR etc.

Steve

The Phocus version I currently have installed is 1.0b.20 . It does not run properly on my MAC , but my new machine will arrive in about a week .

Jürgen
 
Phocus Beta version 21 is coming soon, and includes a mirror up button on screen for tethered shooting ...Yeah!!!!

48 X48 sensor doesn't exist for anyone yet. If anything prompts that production development, it will be the success or failure of the Hy6 Platform in terms of volumn of units out there looking for an upgraded back.

Unfortunately, that will most likely come from Dalsa not Kodak. Hasselblad, and now to a degree Phase One, are dedicated to 645 by camera design, and source their sensors from Kodak.

I think the next development will be a true 645 or slightly larger sensor to provide 0 crop factor and more room for T/S ... and the 645 camera's will continue to evolve with things like multi-point AF (like the new Phase One/Mamiya camera), even higher ISOs, and some new lenses. Mamiya is touting Leaf shutter lenses this year sometime, and Hasselbald rumors tout a T/S lens.

I and a number of other photographers have forwarded the idea of a focal plane shutter H camera to Hasselblad. That would be the icing on the cake for me. A nice new body, shutter speeds to 1/6000th or even 1/8000th, and an adapter to mount the C lenses as well as the FE optics if the current CF adapter does do the job. Ahhh the 110/2 wide open in bright sun light ...
 
"Phocus Beta version 21 is coming soon, and includes a mirror up button on screen for tethered shooting ...Yeah!!!!"

Link for PHOCUS download? Logged on as owner but only download I could find was on the German site and it was .0b11.

Steve
 
Marc

I can remeber , but do not find that thread again , where you reported about bigger square sensors coming soon and that SINAR will be the first to bring them on the market with their Hy6 camera .
In the same thread you mentioned , that HASSEBLAD will have a bigger sensor but not in square format .

So i do not understand , how this should be a success or failure for the Hy6 SYSTEM .

BTW , I still do believe , that the SINAR m System is a very good system , open for bigger sensors , capable to use V-SYSTEM lenses but also AF CZ lenses .

Regards Jürgen
 
Marc

I can remeber , but do not find that thread again , where you reported about bigger square sensors coming soon and that SINAR will be the first to bring them on the market with their Hy6 camera .
In the same thread you mentioned , that HASSEBLAD will have a bigger sensor but not in square format .

So i do not understand , how this should be a success or failure for the Hy6 SYSTEM .

BTW , I still do believe , that the SINAR m System is a very good system , open for bigger sensors , capable to use V-SYSTEM lenses but also AF CZ lenses .

Regards Jürgen

Jurgen, I don't recall saying "soon", but I do think it is a real possibility because of the advent of the Hy6 6X6 system. However, the sales projections of the Hy6 world-wide is really small and very specialized comparitively speaking. $50K for a basic 3 lens Hy6 kit tends to filter out the rif-raf : -). So, it would seem that the cost of a large square sensor would be pretty high per unit.

As camera/back/AF lens/software integration accelerates, legacy systems fall further behind. If 48X48 or 54X54 backs become available they're sure to be $36K or more. Why would someone spend that kind of cash to put the back on a "dumb" camera when you could add a bit more cash and have an integrated camera made to maximize the full use of the backs capabilities?

Many of the professional photographers I know seem less interested in a bigger square sensor where one crops a good portion of the capture to meet commercial format use, and the incremental costs that would involve. As many have pointed out to me, if they want even more detailed files at an incremental cost, they'll opt for a Hasselblad or Sinar Multi-Shot which can be shot single or multi-shot at will. They seem more interested in developing the system to meet their needs. I think the HD camera was the first of that kind of development and now Mamiya and Phase have taken the next step. There is also a lot of activity concerning the optics. The new trend is "D" type lenses like the Schneider AFD offerings and Mamiya's push into AF "digital" lenses. As we know, that path was paved by the view camera lenses that had to be stepped up for increasingly more capable digital capture.
 
Hola guys. Did you missed me, at least a little bit?

Had several difficulties login after the software change.

I've seen with dismay the advent of the CFV2. Still 16mp and 1.5x crop factor. Still no digital medium format for me.

We know there is no 48X48 sensor. Too expensive for legacy systems anyway.
I've proposed many times a 42mm square sensor with a 1.25x crop factor for the CFV to fit thousands of V cameras on the hold around the world.
I think Hasselblad is neglecting a lot of brand users that eventually would stay with them after the digital market matures.

A 42mm square is possible, I think. It would be not too expensive, decent pixels count, 1.25X crop factor or so, would keep wide angles wide and not turning them into normals as in a 1.5x factor. Big enough to justify the jump from digital 35mm, especially after croping to rectangular.

But no, Hasselblad still seems it is not commercially viable. They know better than me, that's for sure. Too bad for them. In the meantime digital 35 has increased substantially in IQ, in features and on its own maturity. And more importantly, in number of users for professional tasks of all kinds.

Maturity is a key word here. Maybe digital 35 "maturity" is what medium format makers are eagerly expecting to happen. We'll see.

Just sharing... again. Thanks

Eduardo

Jurgen, I don't recall saying "soon", but I do think it is a real possibility because of the advent of the Hy6 6X6 system. However, the sales projections of the Hy6 world-wide is really small and very specialized comparitively speaking. $50K for a basic 3 lens Hy6 kit tends to filter out the rif-raf : -). So, it would seem that the cost of a large square sensor would be pretty high per unit.

As camera/back/AF lens/software integration accelerates, legacy systems fall further behind. If 48X48 or 54X54 backs become available they're sure to be $36K or more. Why would someone spend that kind of cash to put the back on a "dumb" camera when you could add a bit more cash and have an integrated camera made to maximize the full use of the backs capabilities?

Many of the professional photographers I know seem less interested in a bigger square sensor where one crops a good portion of the capture to meet commercial format use, and the incremental costs that would involve. As many have pointed out to me, if they want even more detailed files at an incremental cost, they'll opt for a Hasselblad or Sinar Multi-Shot which can be shot single or multi-shot at will. They seem more interested in developing the system to meet their needs. I think the HD camera was the first of that kind of development and now Mamiya and Phase have taken the next step. There is also a lot of activity concerning the optics. The new trend is "D" type lenses like the Schneider AFD offerings and Mamiya's push into AF "digital" lenses. As we know, that path was paved by the view camera lenses that had to be stepped up for increasingly more capable digital capture.
 
Hola guys. Did you missed me, at least a little bit?

Had several difficulties login after the software change.

I've seen with dismay the advent of the CFV2. Still 16mp and 1.5x crop factor. Still no digital medium format for me.

We know there is no 48X48 sensor. Too expensive for legacy systems anyway.
I've proposed many times a 42mm square sensor with a 1.25x crop factor for the CFV to fit thousands of V cameras on the hold around the world.
I think Hasselblad is neglecting a lot of brand users that eventually would stay with them after the digital market matures.

A 42mm square is possible, I think. It would be not too expensive, decent pixels count, 1.25X crop factor or so, would keep wide angles wide and not turning them into normals as in a 1.5x factor. Big enough to justify the jump from digital 35mm, especially after croping to rectangular.

But no, Hasselblad still seems it is not commercially viable. They know better than me, that's for sure. Too bad for them. In the meantime digital 35 has increased substantially in IQ, in features and on its own maturity. And more importantly, in number of users for professional tasks of all kinds.

Maturity is a key word here. Maybe digital 35 "maturity" is what medium format makers are eagerly expecting to happen. We'll see.

Just sharing... again. Thanks

Eduardo

In informal surveys, preference for sensor ratio aspect typically runs about 2 to 1 in favor of rectangle instead of square. But those in favor of square seem more passionate.

Unfortunately, businesses must surive by making money and I believe there is not enough money to be made from the passionate advocators of the square format. Perhaps this will change - especially with the Hy6 and AFi systems now available.

I don't really have an opinion in the matter. I would like to see multiple formats available. But I just don't believe there is enough money to offset the R&D costs. And it is really not a Hasselblad decision. I believe it is not financially viable for them to have Dalsa or Kodak produce a larger square sensor specifically for their V series market. Many V series users have gone to 35mm digital, and while some would love to come back with a reasonably affordable larger square sensor, most will not look back. And I don't think it would be possible to do it reasonably affordably.

It would have to be a decision made by Leaf and Sinar, with an assist from Hasselblad to induce the sensor makers to produce a large, square sensor that perhaps is affordable with all 3 of those companies making significant financial commitments to future orders.

I don't know if that will happen, we'll see.

And this is purely a marketing and economic perspective. It doesn't even touch on any technical challenges.

Steve Hendrix
 
Hi Steve,

Besides the economics there are plenty of technical matters to be solved.
Power consuption and noise will increase with larger sensors.
Storage capacity will have to be increased to name a few.

Many professional "V" users use the 35 mm DSLR as a substitute although they will have to accept aloss in image quality.


Paul
 
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