blowupster
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I wonder if this affects the CFV?
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blowupster
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BTW do you have the chromed rewinder with the CWD-II ?Mine is of course the 503CWD-II with the wonderful 40mm lens....and without the limited edition numbered CFV-I back.
In any case......it's a wonderful camera....and good looking too!)
Gary
blowupster
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The summer promo for CWD+ 40mm IF ended yesterday.
Let see what's new promo now (?)
Let see what's new promo now (?)
wbulte
Active Member
I once posted (in this forum) a drawing of it that I took from the service docs CD. But for the life of me I do no remember the subject of the posting.
Basically it is a small mechanical test rig that allows the technician to determine if the filmgate is properly aligned (right distance, not warped etc).
I've seen it in use and it is quite remarkable that even fine looking backs can still be well out of tolerance. It is purely a measurement device, realignment is done by gently bending the filmgate (...). This takes skill and experience to do properly.
Wilko
polypal
Active Member
I do remember that thread but was also lost trying to find it again.
The marvelous side effects of going of topic......
I remember a few users that posted there.
It did not help either to find that post again.
Showing the test rig may generate more questions than that it will answer.
Rest assured these things are no longer for sale and are only useful in the hands of an experienced technician.
The marvelous side effects of going of topic......
I remember a few users that posted there.
It did not help either to find that post again.
Showing the test rig may generate more questions than that it will answer.
Rest assured these things are no longer for sale and are only useful in the hands of an experienced technician.
CarstenW
Member
I know that you are probably right, but you must admit that it sounds like a very twisted argument. If their customers want it, and they can make it, why are they so picky about how they make their money?
There is a gazillion V cameras out there, and just a few thousand H cameras. An affordable, high-quality DB for the V camera, with a larger sensor than the miniscule CFV gives, would give a lot of people a reason to send their money to Hasselblad.
This is *not* the same company which designed and built the V camera. This is an H-camera shop with a chip on their shoulder.
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Carsten
There are not only a million HASSELBLAD V-Systems out there , but there are also many different lenses and a lot of other valueable good gear .
Therefore I do believe , that HASSELBLAD does everything to prevent the coming of a bigger square sensor .
A bigger square sensor would open a "consumer market" for a good digital back , but not for the H-SYSTEM .
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Jürgen
There are not only a million HASSELBLAD V-Systems out there , but there are also many different lenses and a lot of other valueable good gear .
Therefore I do believe , that HASSELBLAD does everything to prevent the coming of a bigger square sensor .
A bigger square sensor would open a "consumer market" for a good digital back , but not for the H-SYSTEM .
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Jürgen
polypal
Active Member
Unfortunately for Hasselblad this game is no longer their monopoly.
There are quite a few other makers of good digital backs.
Phase One started the race for larger sensors.
It is a race that is not finished yet.
Their current top model with over 60 MP is still very expensive but that is just a matter of time.
Time will also develop a better S/H market. Digital is here to stay!
There are quite a few other makers of good digital backs.
Phase One started the race for larger sensors.
It is a race that is not finished yet.
Their current top model with over 60 MP is still very expensive but that is just a matter of time.
Time will also develop a better S/H market. Digital is here to stay!
CarstenW
Member
There are few really good, up-to-date backs aimed at the V system, and I think that the style of the CFV backs is enough (given comparable quality) to swing the minds of many, if not most, of the Hasselblad V owners out there. A larger sensor for these cameras would possibly succeed in selling backs to a market which simply otherwise wouldn't buy.
The Hasselblad H is a modern system for professionals, and simply fails to swing many who vote more with their hearts.
I still see no reason why Hasselblad wouldn't try it. Simply wrap one of their existing large-sensor backs in a nice chrome-edged housing, and make the relevant connections for 500- and 200/2000-series cameras, and see what the market does. I cannot imagine it failing to sell.
The Hasselblad H is a modern system for professionals, and simply fails to swing many who vote more with their hearts.
I still see no reason why Hasselblad wouldn't try it. Simply wrap one of their existing large-sensor backs in a nice chrome-edged housing, and make the relevant connections for 500- and 200/2000-series cameras, and see what the market does. I cannot imagine it failing to sell.
jotloob
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Carsten
This future desires of many photographer is a square sensor back , bigger than 37x37 mm . So a 37x48 sensor is not what they want .
These backs are available . See the CF39 and CF39MS . They are no beauties , but they are there . And too expensive . Hasselblad wants the people to go for the H-SYSTEM ! ! !
Also most photographers would not need AF and GPS and other functions from the H-system .
I read an article in a professional magazine , which says , that the total amount of new manufactured MF digital cameras of all brands together will not be higher than 7000 per year , worldwide .
If a bigger square sensor would be available , and HASSELBLAD would build a back with this sensor , then they might end up building lots of these new backs but less H-SYSTEM cameras .
If they would not build a new square sensor back , the competitors would do . And would do the buisness .
Therefore , I believe , that HASSELBLAD has the highest interest , that there will be no bigger square sensor on the market .
So , the luck was with them for the photokina 2008 . But in the electronic world , things change very fast .
If HASSELBLAD would announce a CFV III with a 48x48 or better 54x54 sensor , they could put me on their order list right away .
But I will never go for an H-SYSTEM .
I have so much beautiful V-SYSTEM gear . Why should I invest in a new system then ? ? ?
My impression is that the original Swedish Hasselblad company that conceived, built, and sold the largely mechanical V system cameras and accessories simply no longer exists. Hasselblad is now part of the Imacon Enterprises. It's a Danish Marketing Unit, that sells Fujifilm cameras and lenses and Danish digital backs and software, using the Hasselblad brand for purely marketing reasons.
So, when people who love their beautiful V system equipment and come here to talk about it and share their ideas, experiences, and knowledge, they basically talk about the obsolete Hasselblad Company of the past. What's out there on the market today is the Danish Marketing Unit eager to sell Danish and Japanese electronic gear.
Hasselblad of today is probably as interested in the wishes of V system owners as Porsche is interested in the wishes of present day VW Bug Club members. For a 35 year old marketing professional a 500 C/M must be looking about as sexy as a 1958 REVOX Tape Recorder or a 1986 8086 PC: prehistoric gear that belongs in a Museum.
That's why I would be very surprised, indeed, if anything new would be made and sold for the V system.
So, when people who love their beautiful V system equipment and come here to talk about it and share their ideas, experiences, and knowledge, they basically talk about the obsolete Hasselblad Company of the past. What's out there on the market today is the Danish Marketing Unit eager to sell Danish and Japanese electronic gear.
Hasselblad of today is probably as interested in the wishes of V system owners as Porsche is interested in the wishes of present day VW Bug Club members. For a 35 year old marketing professional a 500 C/M must be looking about as sexy as a 1958 REVOX Tape Recorder or a 1986 8086 PC: prehistoric gear that belongs in a Museum.
That's why I would be very surprised, indeed, if anything new would be made and sold for the V system.
polypal
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Manfred,
You are close but not completely right here.
After Hasselblad had changed hands several times from capital investment groups and was left with virtually no financial reserves the company was bought by their distributor for Asia, the Shriro Group.
Shriro bought Imacon to give Hasselblad a new future with digital backs and know how as well as the Imacon scanner line.
The idea was to use the Hasselblad name as marketing instrument to promote Imacon products from then on sold as Hasselblad items.
Shriro also decided to let the Danish management replace what was left of former Hasselblad management.
From the start these Imacon guys looked at the V series as old and obsolete and not something to invest in.
They had no sense for the historical background of the V series.
Show both H and V cameras to people who have no background in photography and the majority will have no problem to recognise the V camera as a Hasselblad product.
The position of Hasselblad in the MF section of photography was and still is very strong.
Even though production of H cameras can not even come close to the succesful days of V series cameras it is still the strongest brand in MF.
Manfred,
You are close but not completely right here.
After Hasselblad had changed hands several times from capital investment groups and was left with virtually no financial reserves the company was bought by their distributor for Asia, the Shriro Group.
Shriro bought Imacon to give Hasselblad a new future with digital backs and know how as well as the Imacon scanner line.
The idea was to use the Hasselblad name as marketing instrument to promote Imacon products from then on sold as Hasselblad items.
Shriro also decided to let the Danish management replace what was left of former Hasselblad management.
From the start these Imacon guys looked at the V series as old and obsolete and not something to invest in.
They had no sense for the historical background of the V series.
Show both H and V cameras to people who have no background in photography and the majority will have no problem to recognise the V camera as a Hasselblad product.
The position of Hasselblad in the MF section of photography was and still is very strong.
Even though production of H cameras can not even come close to the succesful days of V series cameras it is still the strongest brand in MF.
vandevantersh
Member
What's out there on the market today is the Danish Marketing Unit eager to sell Danish and Japanese electronic gear.
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It's a bit more complicated than that. The "H" bodies are designed and built in Sweden with no Fuji parts. The "Fuji" bodies are sent to Japan and re-badged. The H lenses are a joint Fuji and Hasselblad development with most of the components made in Japan except for the shutters...the Backs are Danish.
This is from memory..Paul can give the details of who makes what.
Steve
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It's a bit more complicated than that. The "H" bodies are designed and built in Sweden with no Fuji parts. The "Fuji" bodies are sent to Japan and re-badged. The H lenses are a joint Fuji and Hasselblad development with most of the components made in Japan except for the shutters...the Backs are Danish.
This is from memory..Paul can give the details of who makes what.
Steve
Happy new Jurasic year my friends!
First things first. Now to my regular programming.
Shiriro might be affraid of the V system coming alive like a Jurasic creature.
I haven't found yet a real reason to spent the price of a mexican econo-home in a digital medium format back. God knows how much I miss composing through my wlf. It's a feeling beyond explanation. The H system precludes this as any slr, film or digital. When i just bought my 500CM, first and only medium format I ever have, I wasn't prepared for this thrill. It was totally different to my Nikons (F2As and F3). Actually, the 500 helped me catapult my position as a pro photographer that still exists, even I haven't shot with it in years.
It's a shame, sad and unlucky that the new owners can't have 5% of Victor Hasselbald's spirit. I despise the H system for the sole reason of being "antihasselblad". Eye level photography is fast, but not the reason that made me love the 500. It taught me to compose better, to really be aware of my sitter's expressions, the pose, the poise, the timing, I'm talking here about rapport!. These things are usually missed with a camera at eye level through a peeping hole.
If I had the money I'd buy a Hy6/Afi in a second, but I don't. I'm still waiting for the right time to buy a second hand dback big enough to preserve wideangle photography. In the meantime, Canon is taking all my monetary resources.
May your wishes crush you this year
Eduardo
First things first. Now to my regular programming.
Shiriro might be affraid of the V system coming alive like a Jurasic creature.
I haven't found yet a real reason to spent the price of a mexican econo-home in a digital medium format back. God knows how much I miss composing through my wlf. It's a feeling beyond explanation. The H system precludes this as any slr, film or digital. When i just bought my 500CM, first and only medium format I ever have, I wasn't prepared for this thrill. It was totally different to my Nikons (F2As and F3). Actually, the 500 helped me catapult my position as a pro photographer that still exists, even I haven't shot with it in years.
It's a shame, sad and unlucky that the new owners can't have 5% of Victor Hasselbald's spirit. I despise the H system for the sole reason of being "antihasselblad". Eye level photography is fast, but not the reason that made me love the 500. It taught me to compose better, to really be aware of my sitter's expressions, the pose, the poise, the timing, I'm talking here about rapport!. These things are usually missed with a camera at eye level through a peeping hole.
If I had the money I'd buy a Hy6/Afi in a second, but I don't. I'm still waiting for the right time to buy a second hand dback big enough to preserve wideangle photography. In the meantime, Canon is taking all my monetary resources.
May your wishes crush you this year
Eduardo
polypal
Active Member
MF digital developments
Eduardo,
Thanks for your good wishes for the year that has just begun.
I do not need to defend the decisions made by Hasselblad to just barely keep alive the V system.
At the time the H series was developed and the first serious signs were there that digital was about to become reality all concerned thought 6x4.5 was the ultimate size to go for in digital.
That was not all wrong as 6x4.5 is now the format that enjoys the first true full frame sensor in a Phase One digital back.
As against all those 35 mm based DSLR cameras with less than full frame sensors who saw the coming of a whole new range of ultra short lenses to give them any wide angle you can think of this did not happen with lenses for the V series. That is of course the other side of the story that is often forgotten.
A new Carl Zeiss lens suitable for the 37x37 mm sensor to give true 40 mm WA for that sensor was another option.
Of course Hasselblad would have had the initiative for such a lens and not Carl Zeiss.
The other thing is that digital shifted more or less the ranking of formats.
Six years ago I could do jobs with a 25 MP Sinar back that would have been done with 4x5 before this back was available.
I know it is arguable but current powerfull DSLRs are getting into MF territory although I am the first to say they cannot take over completely.
More than anything else photography has become a money game whether we like it or not.
The time to write off equipment has become much shorter and the investments in new equipment have at least become four times what we used to spend in film days.
Looking back digital has brought new opportunities for a small part of professional photographers and a lot of worries for many others.
Like anything new these days digital has brought more pressure to deliver results fast.
Not all new things can be considered as progress.
Paul
Eduardo,
Thanks for your good wishes for the year that has just begun.
I do not need to defend the decisions made by Hasselblad to just barely keep alive the V system.
At the time the H series was developed and the first serious signs were there that digital was about to become reality all concerned thought 6x4.5 was the ultimate size to go for in digital.
That was not all wrong as 6x4.5 is now the format that enjoys the first true full frame sensor in a Phase One digital back.
As against all those 35 mm based DSLR cameras with less than full frame sensors who saw the coming of a whole new range of ultra short lenses to give them any wide angle you can think of this did not happen with lenses for the V series. That is of course the other side of the story that is often forgotten.
A new Carl Zeiss lens suitable for the 37x37 mm sensor to give true 40 mm WA for that sensor was another option.
Of course Hasselblad would have had the initiative for such a lens and not Carl Zeiss.
The other thing is that digital shifted more or less the ranking of formats.
Six years ago I could do jobs with a 25 MP Sinar back that would have been done with 4x5 before this back was available.
I know it is arguable but current powerfull DSLRs are getting into MF territory although I am the first to say they cannot take over completely.
More than anything else photography has become a money game whether we like it or not.
The time to write off equipment has become much shorter and the investments in new equipment have at least become four times what we used to spend in film days.
Looking back digital has brought new opportunities for a small part of professional photographers and a lot of worries for many others.
Like anything new these days digital has brought more pressure to deliver results fast.
Not all new things can be considered as progress.
Paul
michaelhcothran
Member
What I remember is that Hasselblad spent over a half century trying to convince the photographic community to "see" square rather than rectangle.
Then, after all those years of promoting the square image, they abandoned their "converted" followers with the introduction of the H system.
Then, after all those years of promoting the square image, they abandoned their "converted" followers with the introduction of the H system.
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Michael
This is exactly , why I would never go for an H-SYSTEM .
For me , the square format is absolutely the best format .
No need for any gymnastic in turning the camera around for horizontal or vertical orientation . You just compose your image and then you have the freedom to crop or not to crop later .
An other good format for me is 6x12 or 6x17 . Panorama images .
Jürgen
polypal
Active Member
Pisa
Hi Jürgen,
It will take quite a bit of training to take a picture of the tower of Pisa with a 6x17.
Happy new year to you and your family!
Paul
Hi Jürgen,
It will take quite a bit of training to take a picture of the tower of Pisa with a 6x17.
Happy new year to you and your family!
Paul
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Thank you for your new years greetings . Happy new year to you as well , Paul .
The tower of pisa is no problem at all . There are milllions and millions of post cards . No need to shoot an image yourself at bad weather conditions .