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I wonder if this affects the CFV?
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Almost impossible to believe but the 500CM with a black CF lens and an A12 film magazine or CWD back is better looking than even the latest versions of the Hy6/Afi cameras. Incredible!
Now just imagine this cam with a digiback with a 42X42mm sensor! That's all I want. Of course 48 would be much better and 55 square would be even more. Just thinking about price. 42 square would aprox give 1.3X crop factor. A 40 CFI would turn into a 53mm. That's wide angle!.
CFV3 42mm square, 21mp. Same price.
Where can I order?
Eduardo
Now just imagine this cam with a digiback with a 42X42mm sensor! That's all I want. Of course 48 would be much better and 55 square would be even more. Just thinking about price. 42 square would aprox give 1.3X crop factor. A 40 CFI would turn into a 53mm. That's wide angle!.
CFV3 42mm square, 21mp. Same price.
Where can I order?
Eduardo
I'm not optimistic that Hasselbald will ever come out with a 48x48 chip for the V-cameras.....but we can always dream, right? In any case, I think for most of us non-professional photographers, the 16 megapixel CFV/CFV-II is more than enough. If you don't need autofocus....there are so many terrific Zeiss lenses on the used market at great prices.
And it's such a good looking camera too!
Gary Benson
Eagle River, Alaska
Paul, now that you talk about it, I don't know what multishot is (embarrasing).
Can you explain the difference between a back with multishot and one with none.
Thanks
Eduardo
Can you explain the difference between a back with multishot and one with none.
Thanks
Eduardo
polypal
Active Member
Hi Eduardo,
Multi shot exists as 4 times and 16 times option with certain digital backs.
For the H3D 39Mp it is an option you have to order when buying the camera.
With 4 times the files are the same size as the file without 4 times multishot.
16 times multishot does the same thing only now the files will be much larger.
Multishot is mostly used in studio work to create more detail.
The camera is triggered by the PC/Mac and actually fires more shots.
16 times multishot can deliver files of 100 Mb and more.
Paul
Multi shot exists as 4 times and 16 times option with certain digital backs.
For the H3D 39Mp it is an option you have to order when buying the camera.
With 4 times the files are the same size as the file without 4 times multishot.
16 times multishot does the same thing only now the files will be much larger.
Multishot is mostly used in studio work to create more detail.
The camera is triggered by the PC/Mac and actually fires more shots.
16 times multishot can deliver files of 100 Mb and more.
Paul
Actually, I guess what I'd really like is the full size square sensor....what would that be, 56x56? With the same pixel density/pixel size as the current CFV.....I think that would be approximately 6250x6250 pixels or about a 38 megapixel back. A 1.0 crop factor....that's what I'd like to have.
I'd even be willing to pay extra for it!
Gary
I'd even be willing to pay extra for it!
Gary
polypal
Active Member
I'd even be willing to pay extra for it!
Gary
Hi Gary,
I do not like to say it but there is little chance Hasselblad will ever produce a large sensor for the V series let alone a 56x56 mm one.
That would give the H series some serious competition to say the least.
That will never happen.
Hasselblad gave us an excellent CFV back.
They clearly designed and accepted some limits to the use of the CFV.
My guess is there will be an even larger sensor for the H series in a little while to reduce the crop factor to nil.
It is a fact of life new developments are seldom cheap.
Realisticly speaking a little will not be enough to realise your dream.
Paul
blowupster
Member
When the pixels race will reach the 100Mpix, the 4.5x6cm format will be too smal. Then let see if Hasselblad V will be the new chalenger.
New digital back for Hasselblad V may be not produced by Hasselblad but for Hasselblad.
New digital back for Hasselblad V may be not produced by Hasselblad but for Hasselblad.
blowupster
Member
BTW where to buy PhaseOne and Leaf digital Back by mailorder in the US and is there a price list ?
That would certainly give the Hy6/Afi, Phamiya and Leica some serious competition!
Funny thing, a 48X48 sensor CFV will be enough to accomplish this. With the new prices of course.
Are they blind? Certainly they are their own worst enemy. Sorry Marc for bashing... again.
Eduardo
Funny thing, a 48X48 sensor CFV will be enough to accomplish this. With the new prices of course.
Are they blind? Certainly they are their own worst enemy. Sorry Marc for bashing... again.
Eduardo
Come on! - Just go back to post No.16 by Gary showing the CWD camera. Stare at it for a minute. Now think there is a 48X48 sensor inside that back.
F.....g irrisistable!
Eduardo
F.....g irrisistable!
Eduardo
polypal
Active Member
What is that Eduardo, a new style quoting your own previous post? 
Hasselblad will never design a digital back with a larger sensor for the V series.
They do not want to invest anymore in a camera they consider obsolete.
It is hard enough for them to accept the fact that V cameras are still being used as much as they are now.
A larger sensor would make all those existing cameras and lenses new competition for the H series.
Paul
Hasselblad will never design a digital back with a larger sensor for the V series.
They do not want to invest anymore in a camera they consider obsolete.
It is hard enough for them to accept the fact that V cameras are still being used as much as they are now.
A larger sensor would make all those existing cameras and lenses new competition for the H series.
Paul
blowupster
Member
I'm tired to watch at the Hasselblad suicides.
The X-pan was the best camera at the begining of this century. Instead of evolution, Hasselblad killed it and now the Ebay ithem are close to new prices.
In 4 years there will be a lot of competitor against the H.
Perhaps it will be time to improve the V products to get new market.
Since 2001 there is no new product for V except the improved 40mm IF and the CFV. BTW the 16Mpix digital back did allready existed then.
polypal
Active Member
Hasselblad did not kill the Xpan, Fuji did.
The Xpan is still finding interested buyers. That is reflected in the price for good clean Xpan cameras.
It will not take four years to change the MF scene dramatically.
I see important changes coming within two years.
Paul
cs_foto
Member
What does CLA stands for?
polypal
Active Member
"CLA" is an American expression for a service job mostly used for bodies and lenses. It stands for: Clean, Lube, Adjust.
Older bodies for instance the 500 C/M like to have new foam strips for the mirror every few years.
They like to be cleaned and given fresh lubricants and most of all the mirror/viewing screen needs to be aligned and adjusted.
After a service job they sound different and will certainly give better focused images.
C lenses have a Compur shutter that requires cleaning and servicing every 3-5 years.
The helicoid is also quite happy to receive some fresh grease every now and then.
Later lenses like the CF and onwards have a shutter that is less prone to become sticky.
Even for those lenses a good CLA every 5 years will improve their reliability.
V series cameras are little mechanical wonders. They like to be treated well.
That will pay off in a better longer lasting camera.
Lenses with Compur shutters are full metal constructions.
Treated well, meaning serviced every 3-5 years they will last forever.
I have some C lenses that are over 50 years old.
They still give excellent images and are as reliable as a new CFi lens.
Besides doing yourself a favor by having your kit serviced before problems
arise you also help repairmen to continue their service.
Paul
Older bodies for instance the 500 C/M like to have new foam strips for the mirror every few years.
They like to be cleaned and given fresh lubricants and most of all the mirror/viewing screen needs to be aligned and adjusted.
After a service job they sound different and will certainly give better focused images.
C lenses have a Compur shutter that requires cleaning and servicing every 3-5 years.
The helicoid is also quite happy to receive some fresh grease every now and then.
Later lenses like the CF and onwards have a shutter that is less prone to become sticky.
Even for those lenses a good CLA every 5 years will improve their reliability.
V series cameras are little mechanical wonders. They like to be treated well.
That will pay off in a better longer lasting camera.
Lenses with Compur shutters are full metal constructions.
Treated well, meaning serviced every 3-5 years they will last forever.
I have some C lenses that are over 50 years old.
They still give excellent images and are as reliable as a new CFi lens.
Besides doing yourself a favor by having your kit serviced before problems
arise you also help repairmen to continue their service.
Paul
cs_foto
Member
Thanks Paul,
In fact I serviced by 500cm body, finally!!! a week ago, can definitely confirm that it sounds better! sounds so smooth, hopefully the Back Focus problem I was having will be fixed (and the reason why I serviced it), still shooting a test roll to check that...
I went to this guy (in London) you recommended me almost a year ago, thanks a lot for that!
also took my 2 lenses for focus problems (neither of them will focus at infinity)
I am wondering, is it common for a CF lenses to loose focus at infinity with time? do they need to be adjusted regularly? how can that happen?
Regards
In fact I serviced by 500cm body, finally!!! a week ago, can definitely confirm that it sounds better! sounds so smooth, hopefully the Back Focus problem I was having will be fixed (and the reason why I serviced it), still shooting a test roll to check that...
I went to this guy (in London) you recommended me almost a year ago, thanks a lot for that!
also took my 2 lenses for focus problems (neither of them will focus at infinity)
I am wondering, is it common for a CF lenses to loose focus at infinity with time? do they need to be adjusted regularly? how can that happen?
Regards
blowupster
Member
2 of my Leica M lenses had this probleme. By chance the were on waranty and they corrected them free of charge.
Never had such probleme with all of my (10) Zeiss lenses.
Never had such probleme with all of my (10) Zeiss lenses.
polypal
Active Member
Unless there is an unhappy event like a lens that is dropped the infinity adjustment should not need re adjusting.
Most likely some problem with the camera is the cause for that problem.
If you do not know the order that is important to align camera and lenses you are likely to start compensating
one fault with another.
The correct procedure is:
First align the mirror in the camera using special tools.
Without these tools any attempt is useless.
After the mirror has been aligned the viewing screen has to be adjusted.
The lens will be adjusted for infinity using a collimator.
If there is still doubt about correct focus the film back needs to be checked.
Hasselblad designed a special measuring tool for that purpose.
Without that tool the adjustment is not possible.
Most likely some problem with the camera is the cause for that problem.
If you do not know the order that is important to align camera and lenses you are likely to start compensating
one fault with another.
The correct procedure is:
First align the mirror in the camera using special tools.
Without these tools any attempt is useless.
After the mirror has been aligned the viewing screen has to be adjusted.
The lens will be adjusted for infinity using a collimator.
If there is still doubt about correct focus the film back needs to be checked.
Hasselblad designed a special measuring tool for that purpose.
Without that tool the adjustment is not possible.
cs_foto
Member
Tool to check the Back? or?
Yes we tried both lenses in the collimator and they were out, so that was one thing. The camera needed servicing/fixing as what I was seeing was not was I was getting on the film (focus wise)
Lets see, hope it's fixed know, if not will have to check the back then...
Any more details on that TOOL to check the back? (if so)