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In fact, I have zero affection for any Canon gear, and I mean NONE>

Marc:

My feelings as well, years ago I had to use them on the job. That is why I had to ask as I pay just about 0 attention to them. If my N bodies died or film did would be when I would look for an alternative.

I'll never forget a cold gray misty day in Glacier National Park while trying to frame a shot with my 203FE, the only guy standing nearby, walked over and said, "I hate to say this but my Cannon Mk--is better than your camera."

As far as I am concerned he could have trunk full of the stuff and I would be very happy with my 203FE.

Thanks for the tip about the adapter.

Regards:

Gilbert
 
Marc,

There is nothing new in your 'diatribe'. That is how it has been, always.
With 35 mm based digital still moving in on former MF territory, someone simply must come up with a 'cunning plan'.

Just going on the way they have in the past is not it (The fact that someone is buying those digital backs does, of course, not mean it is a sustainable economy. And i really doubt that you and your invitation-only pro's will keep it going - have you polled how many of them have, or are going to, dump their MF for a Canon-like solution?).

Something along the lines of the CFV is.
In a good-enough world, you are not going to survive snubbing your nose at just good-enough money.
That's why "it be good for them to bring out a really affordable MF digital solution". It would be what would indeed sell and bring in money.
 
QUOTE: "I hate to say this but my Canon Mk--is better than your camera." :UNQUOTE

There is a psychological word for this: It is called "self-delusion".

I have never liked either Canon or Nikon (although I used a Nikonos V underwater for many years). They both seem to load their cameras up with gimmicks, gadgets, bells and whistles that make them hard to use effectively.

If I had to pick a camera from a "second tier" manufacturer, rather than Canon or Nikon, I'd go with Olympus (probably because my first real camera was an OM1). Although, lately, Olympus seem to have lost their way a bit in the DSLR migration. I do like their idea of designing a whole new lens / sensor size system to optimise digital photography but If they don't replace the E1 soon, they are going to be so far behind they'll probably never catch up.

Regards
Peter
 
I do like their idea of designing a whole new lens / sensor size system to optimise digital photography but If they don't replace the E1 soon, they are going to be so far behind they'll probably never catch up>

Peter:

It is called "self-delusion".> Thats one of the reasons why I just let him talk! I would never tell someone what he told me even if he was using a disposable camera.

You may like this from the Olympus USA site. About a week ago on one of there other sites they wrote about the E1 replacement. I wish I could remember now so I could pass it along, perhaps Europe. Basically stating that they were pulling out all the stops to produce it. Years ago, pre-digital I was hoping for an OM6.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_files/E-Commitment.pdf

Regards:

Gilbert
 
Well gentlemen, I had much reading to do last night - gee you were all busy here on the weekend!
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Now, I read that you are drinkers, but after reading the posts I wonder what you have all be SMOKING!!!
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The sub-topic of "heft" is such a good point. Yes Nick the XPie has much heft! As too do the Linhof 4x5 (probably nothing has more heft than that!); every Hasselblad made; every Leica-M made and... wait for it... even my Canon 1vHS has much heft (while not as sexy as a 'Blad or Leica, it is nonetheless a masterpiece in its own right - thank God Canon has retained that same design for the 1... digi-SLRs.

So I also learned that QG dislikes cars..... ummmmm I am not sure what to say here.....mmmmmm... I'll let that slide because he seems like a good bloke anyway!

I have to agree with Gilbert's point about there being people out there who will always try to make Zeiss glass fit something - the Chinese superbly crafted Hasselblad to Canon adapter is a new joy for me - I can now play with my "real" lenses on the gorgeous 1vHS.

And I see that Jurgen is lusting after the elusive Hy6 - is it real or imagined?
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""Good light ! "" - yes Colin; at dusk in South Melbourne last evening, we truly had the most beautiful light in many years. The unusual brisk easterlies during the day allowed the late afternoon sky to glow in the most superb darkening shades of blue I have ever seen. The townhall looked majestic. My great regret is that I did not have a bag of Hassy gear in the back of my car, nor a tripod.

Maybe this is a new discovery in Feng Shui - "the man without Hasselblad kit in car will not experience true joy!"
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. I'm thinking that I am becoming a "master of Feng Shui"!
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Well Marc, you got the juices flowing with a flurry. While the M7 is all the Leica I could ever need; a 203FE is what I lust for and one day I hope that my twins (501CM and 503CW) will become triplets!

I have to agree that there is something very special about Hasselblad's industrial design -
it works; it inspires; it lasts!
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"Just going on the way they have in the past is not it"

"Something along the lines of the CFV is"

Or, something along the lines of the CFV could be it. It would need to offer wide-angle capability and be affordable (see 1Ds mk111 prices) and it would need to be available soon.

Sadly, if I had to make a choice between using the current CFV and the 1Ds mk111 I would have to choose the Canon on wide capability alone. Thankfully I don't have to make that choice; yet.
 
QUOTE: at dusk in South Melbourne last evening, we truly had the most beautiful light in many years. UNQUOTE

This shot was taken at South Melbourne about 15 to 20 years ago. Amazing sky. It was exactly the color you see in the image. Luckily I DID have the Bronica GS1 in the car that day.

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Simon wrote

> And I see that Jurgen is lusting after the elusive Hy6 .... <

No Simon , not lusting . I am an absolute HASSELBLAD V-SYSTEM freak , never really liked the H-SYSTEM design and I dare to look over the fence to see what other brands have to offer .

Now , the new SINAROLLEAFLEX will be a great camera system , with quite a lot of
Schneider AF and non AF lenses as well as ZEISS lenses and in future also Schneider AFD lenses . (SCHNEIDER AFD from 35mm to 180 and also a AFD ZOOM 60-140mm)
Not bad .

But if HASSELBLAD wants to compete with the Hy6 System it will shurely be something in the MF section . Bigger sensors will come , this is as shure as the Amen in the church .The question only is , what size .

We are all impatiently waiting for HASSELBLAD to open the treasure box . Aren't we ? ? ?
 
"have you polled how many of them have, or are going to, dump their MF for a Canon-like solution?)."

That site gets bigger every day as new solutions bring down the price of the ones before it. Pros need versatile solutions that work on MF cameras and view cameras. 35mm type DSLRs are used for the same type work they always have been used for. Horses for courses.

As far as the rest of us: I think Keith is right ... the lowest Hasselblad should go is a 22 meg CFV back so you can get more use of the wide angles. The relative size of the photo sites is what makes the current CFV back so appealing... which would be maintained with a 22 meg 645 sensor. Bring that to market for about the same price as the Canon Series-1 "s" class DSLR and that's about as low as they should go. Should be doable since the technology exists and the Pro market is moving on to 31, 33 and 39 meg sensors ( and whatever comes next). The CFV is a place to further put that current technology to excellent use.

People dedicated to the V system have already made their preference known verses the Canon's of the world. Give them the superior image and keep it that way at a comparable price ... leave the bells and whistles to Canon and Nikon.


The "sleeper" DSLR that I've had a chance to use is the Pentax. I have a writer pal that uses MF but also is a journalist (writes for car mags, and is a stringer for the NY Times). The Pentax DSLR is all he uses now professionally.

The only hope I hold out for is that Leica does bring to market a R10 with at least focus confirmation like the Contax RX had ... maybe something like this : -)


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Marc, as I've said before, most V series users are also square shooters, it's why we chose the format/camera. Unless I'm missing something here any 22MP 645 format back is a 16MP back when cropped square and lacks any wide-angle capability.

In order to continue using Hasselblad cameras I (and I suspect many others) need an affordable virtually full frame square format back.

And yes, 22MP would be fine thanks ;-)
 
That's the rub Keith. That large square sensor technology doesn't (economically) exist yet. So, when and if it ever does, promises to not be the inexpensive solution everyone hopes for... unless there is some incredible breakthrough in sensor manufacturing.

I'm sure it'll happen eventually, but whether it comes in time is another matter.

I also wonder what the market really is for such a back if it was made at comparable pricing to the 645 high resolution backs available now. Most professional application is driven by rectangle aspect ratios. In 99% of the final application, a square would be cropped to a rectangle. Even wedding images are primarily 11X14, 8X10s and 5X7s in these days of coffee table type albums.

While I agree that it is "hip to be square", it's an idiosyncratic trait to many new comers to photography, and composing to a square is becoming something of a lost art.


In the meantime, I'd happily accept a 22 meg 645 sized CFV back @ a reasonable price point so I can better use my V wide angles and SWC camera .... which is something that can be done now.
 
"While I agree that it is "hip to be square", it's an idiosyncratic trait to many new comers to photography, and composing to a square is becoming something of a lost art"

Oh dearie dear. Perhaps it is time to bin those old fashioned Hasselblads after all folks.

...or, in the meantime perhaps we should switch to this little beauty which delivers wide angle capability in combination with existing 16MP square backs</b>.

Now, if Horseman can do it...
 
I think that Sony may yet be a contender to be another player if they produce a full frame camera.They obviously have to improve on their current thing but I have no doubt that they will and there are CZ lenses 35mm/full frame focal lengths (hint-full frame in the future ) available for it.
http://www.zeiss.com/photo
Whether or not they can match the new Canon with 21MB and its expected superb picture quality remains to be seen but it may have personality like that beautiful fantasy (?) R10 would undoubtedly have.
 
Keith:
Little beauty indeed and priced adequately.
I already have the Rodenstock 45mm!
Do you know if it can shift both vertically and horizontally at the same time?
Thanks
Eduardo
 
"Do you know if it can shift both vertically and horizontally at the same time?"

Eduardo, Unfortunately I doubt it's possible. I also have the Rodenstock 45mm (ArcBody fitting) but again doubt that this would be the same mount as the Horseman.

Still in shock at Marc's analysis of the square format ;-)
 
Keith:
Do you mean Marc's last post? I don't find it shocking at all. Or just maybe it happens that I concour with him on that.
I mean on that, because opposite to Marc, I like the EOS system and crazy about my 5D. hehehe
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Eduardo
 
"Do you mean Marc's last post? I don't find it shocking at all"

Eduardo, tongue firmly in cheek.

Marc is right; the chances of Hasselblad producing any practical digital solution in the form of the square format is virtually nil, certainly for the foreseeable future.
 
Keith

HASSELBLAD might be forced to take care of the "digital square market" , because others do .
Like SINAR Hy6 .

So I am really very curious , what will come along .
 
BTW

Nikon comes along with a full frame sensor camera (24x36) . It is called NIKON D3 .
Finally they can compete with CANON .
So I do not believe , that HASSELBLAD would go into that market .
 
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