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CFV BACK SECOND TRY

Marc

No , my dealer is willing to do everything for me , except to go for a replacement .
But i want a replacement , because i do not trust that CFV hardware/software in my back any more . On the other side , when the back was in Sweden for service , they did about 1400 shots . So , you could say , if they do an other 1000 shot to get the thing working , then the back is not new any more . But i payed for a new one . So my only chance is to contact HASSELBLAD directly .
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Jürgen:

Yesterday, I spent about 90 minutes with a Hasselblad rep. I discussed the problems you have had with your CFV among many related issues, we have discussed.

He only stated that in the US, during the first 90 days they will replace the back, thereafter it will have to go to Sweden for repairs.

Full frame sensor: (all the common replies, cost etc.) it is not cast in stone, but with regard to the V system he stated that they have purchased a lot of parts, and they will continue to produce the 503 and 905, but Mr. Poulsen is moving forward. I mentioned that Hasselblad was backward compatible company that produced quality products that would last several lifetimes. He replied that they produce an adapter to use the Zeiss lenses on they H cameras.

I took a half a dozen shots with the H3D 22meg with the new 28mm and 80mm lenses. The 28 could not focus without good contrast, and has a lot of distortion. When I mentioned it he went a got an 80mm, then showed me how they correct the distortion with FlexColor. So when you read in their materials Digitally Corrected Lenses..., they also correct their non APO lenses with Digital APO Correction DAC with FlexColor too. In that sense the camera and FlexColor are a system as they state in their brochures. FlexColor seems to be a good program that I am sure has a great deal of future potential and cost savings for the company and perhaps the end user. Currently the system as all of you have seen works and produces fine results. I liked the camera and the system, but I missed that Zeiss look and I am convinced that it is not the Hasselblad Company anymore........

A related issue perhaps in the wrong forum, but at another Leica authorized store yesterday I was next to and gentlemen returning his M8 and New 50mm lens because of poor focus. I helped determine that it was the lens and not the camera. The manager spoke or stated that he spoke to the Leica rep and told the customer that he would have to send his two day old lens to Leica for repair.

Regards:

Gilbert
 
> The manager spoke or stated that he > spoke to the Leica rep and told the customer that he would have to > send his two day old lens to Leica for repair.

This is just such utter nonsense. If I was told that I would simply return it, or demand they give me a new lense off the shelf, and if they didn't have one on the shelf, then to get me one within two days or take the whole outfit back. Good grief! What do these people think they are selling? That is, what, a $5,000 outfit, at least? And they want the guy to send it in for repair when it's two days old? Shame on them, and shame on Hasselblad/Imacon for this nonsense Jurgen has to go through.

Regards,

Austin
 
Thank Marc for the explanation.

Hassy Reps. did give me a tutorial.

<<<<"There are small Icons located in the main scan window under the title "Corrections"


<<<When scanning a frame, use the crop tool to select and area that also includes a bit of the film outside the image area. This gives the scanner a true black point to work with. Then click on the little A on the main scanner window for an automatic exposure adjustment to give you a starting point.

In each case, the little wheel looking icon can reset the original scan if you don't like the adjustments. >>>>

I have been doing all these steps you described without knowing that I was adjusting the exposure. I used to believe that you can only adjust the exposure in the Photoshop CS2, image-->adjustment-->exposure.

Now, I realize that exposure can be changed in histograms and curves. I was doing this all the time without knowing what I was doing.

So, what basically Marc was doing on posting 394 is to scan the negative several times in his 949 but with different curves and histograms. Select different parts of the image from each scan images and merge them in layers in Photoshop.
 
<<< I liked the camera and the system, but I missed that Zeiss look and I am convinced that it is not the Hasselblad Company anymore........posting 211 from Gilbert

I agree !!!!

Give me Zeiss !!
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I do believe that Hasselblad decided to choose Fuji for the H system as oppose to Zeiss in order to cut cost. It is now a company which put cost saving on top of image quality. Although Hasselblad has become somethings else, other companies like Leica is still the Leica. I believe that Contax will be resurrected in a couple of years time, after the contract between Kyocera and Zeiss has expired. It will be the time when Contax 645 Mark II appear. At least there is a market crying for Zeiss right on.

In a couple of years, the prices for digital backs will come down, it would be less expensive to resurrect Contax.
 
I do believe that Hasselblad decided to choose Fuji for the H system as oppose to Zeiss in order to cut cost. It is now a company which put cost saving on top of image quality. Although Hasselblad has become somethings else, other companies like Leica is still the Leica. I believe that Contax will be resurrected in a couple of years time, after the contract between Kyocera and Zeiss has expired. It will be the time when Contax 645 Mark II appear. At least there is a market crying for Zeiss right on.

In a couple of years, the prices for digital backs will come down, it would be less expensive to resurrect Contax.
 
Gilbert,

Look at the Hasselblad site in Sweden and you will find no mention of the 905 camera.

This leads me to believe the 905 SWC has been discontinued.
I have no confirmation of this yet.

Paul
 
If you want to know more about compatibility (also backward compatibility) of the
H-SYSTEM , please have a look to the article and interview from and with Jack Showalter , president of HASSELBLAD USA .
http://www.pictureline.com/newsletter/article.php?id=276

Digital apo correction (DAC) will not work with V-SYSTEM CF lenses attached to H-SYSTEM cameras , using the adapter . DAC needs the adjusted focus and the used aperture to calculate the needed correction . The V-SYSTEM CF lenses can not support these data , because they have no electronic contacts .

No news on the CFV front so far .
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Jürgen
 
I wonder if the majority of Hasselblad H system detractors here have ever actually used the equipment to any degree? Experiences (or lack of such) of a few, against the working professionals like Nick and many thousands of others who use it daily and don't post here?

While I also admit to a fondness for Zeiss optics, many excellent photographers I know have come to grips with the fact that there are also some stellar H lenses... a conclusion I've also come to through extensive use in many different situations.

No matter the prejudice because, as mentioned above, every Zeiss C, CF, CFi and CFE lens works with full aperture automation on the H cameras when I wish it via the ingenious and very well built CF adapter. A FACT continually glossed over in these discussions.

Backwards compatibility with the advantage of a gain to 1/800th sync speed, TTL digital metering, in-viewfinder focus confirmation, and excellent flash control of the H camera. Which is no small thing when it comes to added versatility and speed for multiple applications. Adding the H camera to my 503CMs, has extended the use of these optics across camera platforms ... thus extending their value as useful photographic tools even as their value plummets on the used market.

Also as mentioned, the loss is one of not being able to take advantage of the increasingly useful H3&H/C data transfer to the Flexcolor software to correct distortion and C/A. These software applications currently work on H/C lenses from 80mm on down. ( I have NOT used the new 28mm, so cannot speak to it, nor would I until thoroughly using it for a number of applications ). I HAVE used it for all the current H/C lenses to 80mm and it indeed does work exceedingly well with just a click of a mouse.

I would have to agree that Hasselblad is no longer the same company. Were it not, it may well have been on the same track as the Dodo bird ... or Contax 645, or Bronica, or ( insert the next MF casualty). In that regard, I wonder how many here have bought NEW Zeiss optics for their V cameras? Or a new Hasselblad V camera?

The point is that Hasselblad isn't a charity, they are a business. The customers are the ones voting, and the message was clear ... become a different company fast, or die ... like Kyocera/Contax did ... leaving customers like me holding the obsolete bag and no further lens development as had been promised. The H system is much more than the Contax was, and the better AF, advanced digital interface, and integrated flash control was worth it alone. Contax MAY have stepped up, but now we'll never know.

The wishful notion that Zeiss and Contax may do this or that in future is vaporware talk. Could have, should have, would haves, don't put photographs on the table. Amateurs and semi-professionals can afford to pontificate, and wax poetically ... but they aren't the factor they once were in MF anymore. A MF company has to win the professional market in order to survive now ... and that means digital system cameras and electronic optical interface. In my real job as an ad agency CD, I buy hundreds of thousands of dollars of commercial photography. All of it in the past 3 years (except one job), was digital capture, a number of which was accomplished with the H system.

I now use the H system in my wedding work as well as for advertising applications. It has made an impact due to speed, controll, versatility and the pictorial qualities of certain H/C lenses.

Below, H2D/39, HC/100/2.2 AF @ 2.2, Metz TTL fill flash controlled in camera. This image is being printed to 5 feet wide for display in my studio ... despite web uploads the strawberry is tack sharp in the massive file even when pixel peeping.


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In the past , the chinese photoindustry was more or less designing and producing gear for a "niche market" . I think , there is a rapid change now .
Have a look to this beautiful camera . It's not digital . But who knows , when the chinese will launch their first digital gear for MF . It can't be long any more .

http://www.fotomancamera.com/product_list.asp?id=190

Isn't that beautiful ? But it has no tilt sensor .
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That's of course a serious disadvantage .
This wide angle 4x5 LF camera for hand hold usage costs about 700€ (without lens) .
I have a Super-Angulon XL 5,6/72mm which i could use for it and also many sheetfilm holders .

Jürgen
 
Marc

What a beautiful picture of that little girl . Great . I love it .

Marc , not all guys participating in this forum have bought their gear on xbay or any other used market . And not all guys use this forum as a blabla chat room .
I use it to share experience and to learn from other and i am pleased and grateful for this opportunity .

I have a HASSELBLAD collection of 13 wonderful pieces .
But my working horses are the 501CM , 503CW , 201F , 203FE and 905SWC . All bought new plus 9 lenses and 8 film backs plus accessories . All bought new .

Momentarily , I can not afford to jump fully into the HASSELBLAD digital H-SYSTEM . And therefore the CFV BACK is a very good addition to my gear . Hopefully i will have a working one soon .

Jürgen
 
Marc A. Williams

RE: 5 foot wide girl in white,

Well Marc, your work is both impressive and elegant. However your posted photo, using a H camera is the most positive advertisement for Digital Hasselblad I have seen yet.

Your H2D/39, HC/100/2.2 AF @ 2.2, Metz TTL fill flash, is certainly impressive and shows the fine photographic qualities you embody in your work.

Richard Loarie
 
I think Marc is right. Hasselcon is in dire straits, and they must do desparate things to keep us supplied with the excellent products they still make, and through that keep themselves in a job.

However, the level of service offered nowadays really could/should be raised a bit.
Scaring customers away isn't good business practice. The old Hasselblad understood that (at least until Jerry Oster left and the investement bankers took over). Imablad still has to learn a bit or two.

The 905, by the way, is gone.
 
It's true Richard, a picture is worth a thousand words. I was turning my nose up at the HD system until I contracted a job with a well know NYC photographer whose images blew me away. He scoffed at the Fujiblad prejudices and went about making stunning photographs.

It seems service is deplorable in Europe if the posts here are any measure. I've had no such bad experience here in the US as I've mentioned. The dealer has been stellar in making things happen when needed, and Hasselblad responsive in a timely manner.

I leave for an outdoor shoot in an hour, and the weapon of choice is the H3D/39, with the new, much more demure Image-bank II that will capture 1,800+. images. I've run it through exhaustive testing and it seems to be a winner.

Jurgen, I do so hope your CFV issue is resolved and you can get to making photographs with it. It really is a joy to extend the usefulness of the V system, and offers the choice of film or digital at the whim of the user.

Q.G., you are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. I have no idea as to Hasselblad's future prospects any more than you do. Based on where the commercial photographic industry is going, I'd speculate they are at least moving in the right direction. MF digital backs that fit across multiple SLR platforms will be a mute point if a few more MF camera makers buy the farm.

At the same time, I have great hopes for the Hy6 system, because if there is a sense of future desperation, it may be on the part of the makers of competing backs with no camera platforms of their own. They MUST have modern, open architecture cameras to survive ... with the demise of Contax, the shakiness of Mamiya, the options are narrowing. The Hy6 will be a much needed system to keep those options open to current and future professional photographers. As much as I like Hasselblad past and current products, I'd hate to see them as a monopoly.
 
Marc,

What you say about the HY6 and 'independent' back manufacturers is describing Hasselblad's situation before the Imacon purchase quite well, though in reverse: with the (then) future being digital, Hasselblad not making digital backs themselves left them at the mercy of digital back makers. Shriro did well in purchasing Imacon and making Hasselblad a 'closed system'.
Now the situation is reversed, and now the digital back makers are indeed at the mercy of the makers of platforms for their products.

High volume professional shooters are more likely to switch system every now and again, and as long as they can get a good, modern, working digital camera, all is well.
The H-line provides that, and is doing relatively well (the competition - 35 mm based digital - still is doing better).

What's left are the shooters hanging on to their 'old' systems: the ones that have gone in part (V-System) or entirely (Contax, etc.).
That is not a fast moving ('not moving' rather) high volume market, and it is understandable (though not right) that companies like Imablad do not give it as much attention as they do that other one.

The 'not right' bit is in the lack of service Jürgen has experienced. If news about this sort of thing spreads, it will of course not fail to reflect on the entire Hasselblad product range.
The 'not right' bit as far as Hasselcon is concerned also is in what they demonstrated last year, obsoleting a very young product (your H2D/39) in one swoop, forcing you to either upgrade, or be envious of people who happened to decide to buy a digital Hasselblad just a few months later.

At one time, a then new Hasselblad CEO talked about the "potential in the trademark", where CEOs preceding him always had talked about the needs and wants of photographers, and Hasselblad's no. 1 aim to both meet these demands and deliver nothing but the best.
This shift of focus from client to 'bottom line' may be good business sense. But the particular way in which it is put into practice also proves to be oblivious of what put that "potential in the trademark" there in the first place.

That is where Imablad still has a lot to learn.
Or else suffer, and follow Rollei, Contax, Bronica, Mamiya...
 
I agree that Hasselblad needs to be taken to task whenever they falter.

However, the notion that my H2D/39 was made obsolete is a marketing term people like to induldge in. Fact is I had the option to just say where I was with the H2D/39, (which was an H2D/22 upgrade BTW), and make the images I bought the camera for ... which includes the image above.

Fact is, the price of the original H2D/22, plus the H2D/39 and H3D/39 upgrades totalled less than if I bought the H3D/39 now. And, other than the money, each transition was made painless BTW.

If I had stayed with the H2D, I would not be able to use the distortion and APO corrections, nor the new 28mm. But all the other excellent firmware and software improvements would have been valid. So, one need only decide if those improvements are worth it, or to wait out a few more upgrades before moving up. Since I make money with mine, and capture digital rental fees, I've chosen to stay current.
 
Actually Marc, you have a point there.

I do not think many V-class folks have had the opportunity to handle/use an H-class. There is not really a healthy used-market for it yet (healthy as in: you do not have to 2-nd mortgage your house and your wife to buy one). Until that changes the H-class owning population will be pro-shooters only for the best part (unless you own your own oil-well in your garden).

Wilko
 
Paul,

the Hasselblad site in Sweden and you will find no mention of the 905 camera.>

The US website also omits the 905 which I believe was there a week or so ago. The Rep I was talking to was from out of town demonstrating the H3D at PRO oriented stores, so like many others that travel on the job, he missed the memo. He also told me that CFV sales were good.

When the H system was first introduced I also spent some time with it and the I was well satisfied with the focus in low light. As Mark noted the 800 flash sync is an advantage. The camera handles nicely, and holding the bottom feels somewhat like a V camera to me. This is definitely a pro system, capable of meeting industry needs now, and I think well into the future.

The gentleman before me was an accomplished pro doing commercial work for an automobile maker. He told me that currently his post production time has increased tremendously. So I asked if his capture fee was covering his time, he replied YES. When he left he was talking to a sales person he new ad was ready to make a large purchase.

I also purchased new V system and accessories and have advocated that position for a number of years on this forum and the Leica forum. But for those of us that would like an H system I think we will be waiting for the used market to develop. Due to the business depreciation tax structure here I believe it will be a fairly large market in a few years.

I am still counting on film...

Marc: Nice shots. I think a couple should get married in that beautiful setting on a winter day, after all for some guys it is going to get a lot colder.
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Hi Gilbert,

> As Mark noted the 800 flash sync is an advantage.

Over a typical focal plane sync speed, sure. The V series sync's up to 1/500. I'm not sure 1/800 is that significant an "advantage" over 1/500. I'm sure there may be a circumstance when it might be an ever so slight advantage, but I think it's very infrequent, at best.

Regards,

Austin
 
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