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New H3D

Staffan, you are not alone.

Here is my history so far: Purchased a H2D/22, and immediately had much difficulty with it's consistency of shooting despite good attention from the very knowledgeable reseller and his contacts with Hasselblad technical help, who sometimes worked with me directly. All the lenses were new and had current firmware (confirmed by tech folks). So, I came to totally distrust the camera. Finally, everyone just admitted that it was "possessed".

Then the H2D/39 came out not long after. I decided to pay for the upgrade, and Hasselblad just swapped out the whole rig for a new one rather than having me send my 22 in to be altered to a 39. That was a good thing.

Got the new HD2/39. It also has proven to be inconsistent in shooting, although far less so than the HD2/22 was. I have gone through whole jobs with no issues. But when it does happen, I also have to field strip the camera, wait a few seconds and reassemble to get it back "on-line". Here is the BIG problem, sometimes when it happens, there is no warning. The LCD shows that the shot was captured so you think all is well. When you get back to the studio and download in Flexcolor, some of the shots in a group are gibberish, or all black with a few "electric" looking blobs of color. It simply didn't write the file correctly, even though the preview appeared correct on the LCD.

I am not inexperienced in digital. I shot for years with a couple of Kodak ProBacks on various cameras. I also use a Canon 1DsMKII. I have done 100 weddings and numerous commercial assignments with that array of gear, with zero issues and no lost images.

Here are my suspicions concerning the H digital camera: It is a profoundly complex piece of equipment, but it cannot be pushed beyond certain limits and suffers NO user errors without punishing you in return. Like any computer, it can suddenly become an idiot.

I am currently "investigating" all possible errors I could have made before blaming the camera. I also have become suspect of one of my grip batteries as being flawed (yes, I have reset the "fuel gauge"). Power can be a big issue with these cameras if not monitored properly, and even if the battery says it is okay, sometimes it just isn't enough if pushed hard and the draw on it seems to exceed the supply.

I also suspect that if you push the captures beyond the buffer capacity shoot rate, you can cause issues ... this is an easy thing to do when shooting unteathered and in the heat of battle. I have had an Error Code appear on the camera's LCD, and even though I removed the battery and restarted, it then wouldn't purge the error code.

Lastly, I suspect the cards themselves. I have isolated the cards where I have the problems and won't use those CFs again in that camera. I have decided to totally clean my San Disk 4 gig Extreme IIIs using the SanDisk utility and will reformat in the H2D ... then only use those cards in that camera.

Once I do all of that, and IF I still have issues, Hasselblad will get an ear full.

Plus, when the camera works (which is a vast majority of the time), it is magnificent .
 
Hi Guys
The problems you describe seem to be firmware related. Can you both (Marc and Staffan) check your H body firmware, they should be 9.1.2 which will resolve the issues you are both describing. Your dealer will be able to update the firmware for you (it takes about 10 minutes).
regards
Nick-T
 
ohhhh how happy i am , that i do not have to suffer all that electronic shit .
The good "old film" has great chances to survive .
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> This is no doubt a very specific migration and release plan by > Hasselblad. > > When I purchased my H1 new they had no digital back for it, then > they came > out with the 16Meg back for the H1, the V96. > > I found a way to use the V96c (made for the C series) on the H1. It

> was > simply the same exact body and digi back with a different mount plate. > I simply purchased a 132 Mounting kit and bam. About 5 grand saved > for the same exact digital back. > > Watch 'em they are a marketing machine and know exactly what they > are doing....... >
 
> > "These are the types of things which happen when one steps away from >film, to the "dark side"." >

>Do you mean stepping away from the dark slide to the dark side?
 
> This is no doubt a very specific migration and release plan by > Hasselblad. > > When I purchased my H1 new they had no digital back for it, then > they came > out with the 16Meg back for the H1, the V96. > > I found a way to use the V96c (made for the C series) on the H1. It > was > simply the same exact body and digi back with a different mount plate. > I simply purchased a 132 Mounting kit and bam. About 5 grand saved > for the same exact digital back. > > Watch 'em they are a marketing machine and know exactly what they > are doing....... >
 
John

That is what all producers of electronic equipment do . Customers have to iron out the bugs .
Why ? ? It is cheaper for them . Customers have to pay for everything . And therefore i will never buy new equipment . But that does not prevent you from bugs turning out later .
So , i use my good old film gear , not having any trouble .
Hopefully this will be the case still for a very long time .
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I still use film too and hope to do so for a long time although I do intend to go digital eventually but such an attitude can't do anything for the reputation of someone like Hassleblad renowned for tank like build, reliability and longevity. It is a shame if they have been reduced to mere electronic equipment producers especially bearing in mind the cost of their gear. And when you think of the quality control provided by Zeiss for former Hassleblad lenses, it somehow makes it worse that they might have fallen into such a mire but there again it is all new technology and everything has teething pains. I would certainly be most displeased if I thought I had an unrepeatable super shot in the can and it turned out I hadn't because of an unknown or unsuspected and unpredictable firm or software failure. What on earth could one say to the angry bride and her parents who would not be at all sympathetic to cries of equipment failure.
 
You'd say the same thing you would if the lab machine ate the film (happened to me twice at two different labs), or they accidently cross processed the negs (happened to me once), or the shutter failed on your film camera (happened once), or unbeknown to you the MF back had a light leak, or ... and so on and so on.

Like with film cameras, I back up critical digital wedding shots with more than one camera, or I have a second shooter doing it.

However, I still shoot film and recently ordered an Imacon 949 scanner, because for weddings I am sick to death of processing 800 files in front of a computer. I am moving back to more film for some wedding work where I need only scan and print the album selects ... which will be lightening fast with a 949. Most of my personal work is on film also.

Dispite having the top end digital gear, I still like film and the way it looks when printed.
 
Eventually the name of Hasselblad will become less respectable, unless the current owners change their policy quickly. Perhaps Rollei will continue, using Zeiss-made (not just designed) lenses. I, too, would like to go digital eventually, but I can see no justification for paying for a badge for sentimental reasons. Somebody like Pentax will probably do the job!
 
The name "Hasselblad" may disappear, the name "Imacon" taking its place.
Despite the fact that the Imacon company ceased to exist years ago, became Hasselblad, the name is still very much kept alive. Not in the least by the former Imacon company itself.
 
These guys aren't the only players in town. But they are aggressively trying to be.

It's a brave new world since the MF back makers left the encroaching DSLRs in the dust. No one thinks a Canon 1DsMKII can do what these new backs are able to do now. That wasn't completely true just 2 years ago when the Canon hit the market with a full frame 16.7 meg camera. That camera caused MF some serious hurt even amongst the commercial market.

Rest assured the teething problems due to getting to market and blunting the perception that there was no need for MF isn't the exclusive domain of Hasselblad/Imacon. These back makers, including Hasselblad are small companies compared to giant, multi-product companies like Canon who make their own sensors and rely on no one ... (a club perhaps soon to include Sony).

I am up to my eyeballs in digital solutions and know all the back makers have tech difficulties with the profoundly complex aspect of making these units in such small quantities to retro fit so many existing cameras, while accelerating the boundaries of sensor size, speed and functionality. Phase One isn't excluded from this list either, nor is Sinar.

Which leads to Hasselblads push to fully integrate the whole system, which is somewhat in it's infancy. What is possible by doing this leads to mind boggling advancements on the horizon. The resources needed to accomplish this isn't the historical domain of Hasselblad, and outside resources have to be marshaled ... thus, Imacon and Fuji and who knows who else in future.

The one to watch will be Leaf. They are now part of Kodak. Since that happened, The Leaf Backs have made an amazing leap forward ... they now have announced the fastest shooting high meg camera backs on the market ... Aptus 65s and 75s. I have a Aptus 75 in addition to the H2D/39. It resurrected my old Mamiya RZ and the back came with a Mamiya 645 ... which I got an adapter for to use Zeiss V and F series lenses ... using the focus confirmation in the 645s viewfinder.

So, yes, there are issues. But MF is alive and well at least in the commercial sector. It will eventually trickle down to the advanced amateur.

In the meantime there's plenty of film to go around : -)
 
Q.G

I always thought , that IMACON and HASSELBLAD scanners are the same .
Can you please explain , or are you just joking ???
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Jürgen,

That's right.
Since Imacon was bought by Shriro and merged with Hasselblad, to form a new company again called "Hasselblad", Imacon products no longer exist (barring those that were made and sold before the merger, of course). They are all "Hasselblad" products.
Yet, the Imacon brandname is somehow kept alive.

Bojan commented on how the "Hasselblad" name is deflating.
And it is. And will do, unless, as he said, the current owners change policy.

The current owners (Shriro) however put "mr Imacon" at the helm. And he sees Hasselblad as no more but a vehicle for his Imacon backs.
What Hasselblad was, and still is in the eyes of many, is, so it appears, of no concern to him.
Which is why we are where we are today, having occassion to comment on how the "Hasselblad" name is deflating. On how what we were presented with at this year's Photokina (read all the justified complaints above) is another step away from what the Hasselblad company once made great: a 100% commitment to their customers, what they wanted and needed (one manifestation of which is the exceptional compatibility of new with old, and vice versa. They didn't produce new things so that, if we wanted them, we had to throw away most of what we had already, and replace it with incompatible, and very expensive, duplicates. Quite the contrary!).

If things keep going at this pace, "Hasselblad" will soon, by many, be written off, considered dead, gone, no more. Despite "mr Imacon" continuing to push new digital backs with permanently attached cameras.

Imacon, meanwhile, never had any other policy than the one they are displaying today. (Which will be part of the reason why Shriro managed to pick them up cheaply.)
And meanwhile too, Imacon continue (after they ceased to be) to present themselves to the world as "Imacon".

In this context, Marc commented, saying that we shouldn't worry too much about the shenanigans surrounding Hasselblad, because there is plenty of film around we can still use in our Hasselblads. Which, of course, is perfectly true.
Film which, so he says (illustrating the thingy about the names, and what people associate them with/their perceived 'value'), he is scanning using a recently ordered "Imacon" (!) scanner...
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Well see what the new ones are called.
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Right now they're called Flextight X series Scanners on the new Hasselblad site, and the link to Imacon is now gone. The copy says ... and I quote ...

"... that's why Hasselblad offers professional level scanners that are easy to use while retaining the quality inherent in the original."

And to quote ... they are referred to as Hasselblad Scanners throughout the copy like this ...

" Hasselblad Scanner Partners are able to perform most repairs, although certain repairs have to be performed in the factory service workshops in Denmark."

In fact, I can no longer find Imacon mentioned at all anywhere.

In addition, a trip to the Imacon site reveals all old news. the new scanners aren't there, nor are the newer digital backs. None of the CF version backs are there, and the 39 meg backs are also missing. They are all on the Hasselblad site and are called Hasselblad not Imacon. My 38 meg back is branded Hasselblad right on the back.

So, we'll see who's name will survive ...
 
Yes, we'll see...

Your scanner, by the way, is still mentioned on the "Imacon" site as having received an award.
And it did: over a year after Imacon as such ceased to exist.

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Yep, and the good news is that I could give a crap what it is called, I got it at a heafty discount as Hasselblad rids themselfs of the dual product line ... Supposedly there are only 1 or 2 new 949s left on Hasselblad USAs shelves.

With any luck I'll take delivery, in a week to 10 days and load up the film Hasselblads for next weeks' wedding.

Wahooooooo ! Back to the future.
 
Grin.. From all this comment I gather you have not given up on film, even while you have all the digi stuff you need?

Wilko
 
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