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Jurgen, I am not about to contribute anything helpful (for which I am sorry), but how would any of you digital back users react if a new motor car that you bought needed such a "learning curve"? What you are hooked into is not unlike personal computers for gamers. The latest is what you really want and it costs an arm and a leg, and is full of bugs - which will be sorted out in the next version (which, however, will have a new set of bugs).
 
Michael

Thanks for your fast response . Honestly , i was impatiently waiting for it .
This comes from Germany .

In the meantime , i believe , that there could also be a problem with the card reader i have .
Never the less , i will try out the way you do it . Not today , as its early night now . I will do further tests on monday , when the SANDISK fire wire reader has arrived .

But , just to make shure :
Offloading the images the way you do it ,is one option .
Offloading , using FLEXCOLOR in combination with USB/FIREWIRE card readers is an other one .
Offloading via FIREWIRE cable directly from the back again is an option .
Formatting a card , to delete all images , as well .
And all should work , as all this is as designed .

I bought the back from my professional dealer , where i am a customer since about 15 years .
Unfortunately he is a LEAF keydealer and has kicked out HASSELBLAD some years ago .
But still sells HASSELBLAD equipment . He is one of the 6 biggest professional dealers here in Germany .
The best way for a guarantee case is HASSELBLAD GERMANY . But all digital backs are serviced in SWEDEN anyway , so any dealer would only pass on your shipment .

I will update this thread when i have more info .

I still have more questions , concerning the sharpness and USM in FLEXCOLOR or PSCS .
Have a nice weekend . Regards Jürgen
 
Bojan

I agree to what you say .
But i am a technician and seem to have mechanics and electronics , combined with an almost endless patience in my blood . I want to understand , what happens and want to give my part . But then , when i am shure , i can be a very tough guy .
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It makes perfect sense to me that you want to make sure you are not doing anything wrong yourself.

Typically (keep in mind I have not worked with a CFV) every image is stored in its own unique file on the CF card. You can copy these files off the card with your Mac.

In order to re-use the card one either needs to delete these files, or, alternatively format the card which throws everything on it away.

So, in other words, the files on the card need to be deleted, they are not 'filled' with new images.

Wilko
 
Jurgen, I didn't say it wasn't fun. After all, you might have as many problems with a Ferrari, but would you refuse one?
 
Wilko

As the problem was intermittent , and also showed up different , it was hard to come to a 100% result . Now the problem is hard . No data are written onto the CF card . I just can see the image + all relevant control data (histogram etc.) on the LCD panel . The back tries to write the data onto the CF card , the busy indicator flashes for quite some time , but nothing happens . But sometimes a never ending alarm can be heard . Thats the end and i have to remove the battery to end that state .
I will send the CFV back to HASSELBLAD by tomorrow . I will return here , when it is back .
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Hi Jurgen,

Bah... that stinks.. :-( But given a problem I rather have a 'hard' problem than an intermittent one.

I assume you see this with all your different CF cards?

Wilko
 
Yes Wilko

As soon you have a hard bug , you have a chance to fix it . Intermittent bugs can fool you very much .
All CF cards i have show the same problem . The same is valid for the batteries . No chance .
Good bye CFV . Come back when you are cured .
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Very disappointing this particular CFV :-( Lets hope this is really a one-of "Monday morning" product. If it was mine I would just ask for a complete new one, and let Imacon go and figure out how the other one has ever managed to escape post-assembly quality control.

Equipment of this price range should not have to go back to the shop within a week.

Wilko
 
Wilko

Before i say good night , i want to let you know , that i requested a replacement by a new device in the shortest possible time . Unfortunately the CFV back will have to be sent to HASSELBLAD Germany and then to HASSELBLAD Sweden . As you can see , it will take time .
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My patience has come to an end .
 
Wilko

I had a phonecall with my dealer this morning , and he stated similar problems with phaseone and leaf backs . He said it could simply be software to be resetted and on you go .
A horrible imagination , that you possibly depend so much on software .
So having an E12 magazine and a film in the background , seems to be a good idea .
 
Jürgen,

Have you any idea how often good old film has saved a photographer
when digital failed to record images as was intended?

Paul
 
When speaking of film, we first must speak of it's image system, i.e., Optics (Lens), Camera, Film (or digital back.) Man's thoughts of image are first developed in 500 BCE, when a Chinese philosopher ponders the phenomenology of an upside down image of the outside world beaming through a small hole in the opposite wall in a darkened room.

Film as an art form grew out of a long tradition of literature, storytelling, narrative drama, art, mythology, puppetry, shadow play, cave paintings, stage magic and perhaps even dreams. In addition, the technology of film, emerged from developments and achievements much further back in human history. The study of the precursors of film is called precinema.
Early technological developments
c. 500 BCE - Mo-Ti, a Chinese philosopher ponders the phenomenology of an upside down image of the outside world beaming through a small hole in the opposite wall in a darkened room.
c. 350 BCE - Aristotle tells of watching an image of an eclipse beamed onto the ground through a sieve.
c. 1000 - Alhazen experiments with the same optical principle, and writes of the results.
1490 - Leonardo DaVinci describes a structure that would produce this effect.
1544 - Reinerus Gemma-Frisius, a Dutch scientist, illustrates large rooms built for the purpose of viewing eclipses by this means.
1588 - Giovanni Battista Della Porta tips off artists to this trick.
c. 1610 - Johannes Kepler refers to a construction that utilises this phenomenon as a camera obscura.
1671 - Athanasius Kircher projects images painted on glass plates with an oil l& and a lens, his 'Magic lantern'.
1820s - Joseph Plateau: Anorthoscope; Phenakistiscope. Spindle viewers. Flip books.
1824 - Thaumatrope. Peter Mark Roget presents the persistence of vision to the world in his paper Explanation of an optical deception in the appearance of the spokes of a wheel when seen through vertical apertures. The article is often incorrectly cited as Persistence of Vision with Regard to Moving Objects, or On the Persistence of Vision with Regard to Human Motion, and given an incorrect date.
1831 - Faraday's Law of electromagnetic
1834 - The Zoetrope (U.S.), a.k.a., the Daedalum (England).
Victorian innovations, c.1860-1901
1861 - Henri DuMont patents an apparatus for "reproducing successive phases of motion", British Patent 1,457.
1861 - Kinematoscope invented. This is a series of stereoscopic pictures on glass plates, linked together in a chain, and mounted in a box. The viewer turns a crank to see moving images.
1872 - Eadweard Muybridge designs the zoopraxiscope. French astronomer Pierre Jules Cesar Janssen develops a camera with a revolving photographic plate that makes exposures at regular, automatic intervals.
1877 - Muybridge begins experimenting with "serial photography" (or "chronophotography"), taking multiple exposed images of a running horse (see main Muybridge article).
1878 - George Eastman manufactures photographic dry plates the same year Thomas Edison invents the first electric incandescent light bulb, archaically known as a magic lantern.
1880 - Muybridge begins projecting his studies of figures in motion.
1881 - Louis Lumiere develops a "dry plate" process with gelatin emulsion.
1882 - Etienne-Jules Marey, a French physiologist, makes a series of photographs of birds in flight. Hannibal Goodwin sells an idea to George Eastman, who markets it as "American film" : a roll of paper coated with emulsion.
1886 - Louis Le Prince patented his process for "the successive production of objects in motion by means of a projector".
1887 - Ottomar Anschütz creates the electrotachyscope, which presents the illusion of motion with transparent chronophotography.
1889 - William Friese Greene developed the first "moving pictures" on celluloid film, exposing 20 ft of film at Hyde Park, London. George Eastman improves on his paper roll film, substituting the paper with a plastic film base.
1890 - Friese Greene patents his process, but was unable to finance manufacturing of it, and later sold his patent. [1]
1891 - Edison patents the Kinetoscopic camera invented by William Kennedy Laurie Dickson, which takes moving pictures on a strip of film (this was one of many inventions for which Edison claimed credit). A lighted box was used to view the pictures, the viewer was required to turned a handle to see the pictures "move". First called "arcade peepshows", these were to soon be known as nickelodeons. Fred Ott's Sneeze is the first Kinetographic film.
1893 - Edison Laboratories builds a film studio, in West Orange, New Jersey, dubbed the Black Maria. It was built on a turntable so the window could rotate toward the sun throughout the day, supplying natural light for the productions.
1894 - Thomas Edison introduced to the public two pioneering inventions based on this innovation: the Kinetograph, the first practical moving picture camera, and the Kinetoscope. The latter was a cabinet in which a continuous loop of Dickson's celluloid film (powered by an electric motor) was projected by a l& and lens onto a glass. The spectator viewed the image through an eye piece. Kinetoscope parlours were supplied with fifty-foot film snippets shot by Dickson, in Edison's "Black Maria" studio. These sequences recorded mundane events (such as Fred Ott's Sneeze, 1894) as well as entertainment acts like acrobats, music hall performers and boxing demonstrations. Kinetescope parlors soon spread successfully to Europe. Edison, however, never moved to patent these instruments on the other side of the Atlantic, since they relied so heavily on previous experiments and innovations from Britain and Europe. This left the field open for imitations, such as the camera devised by British electrician and scientific instrument maker Robert W. Paul and his partner Birt Acres. Paul hit upon the idea of displaying moving pictures for group audiences, rather than just to individual viewers, and invented a film projector, giving his first public showing in 1895. At about the same time, in France, Auguste and Louis Lumière invented the cinematograph, a portable, three-in-one camera, developer/printer, and projector. In late 1895 in Paris, the brothers began exhibitions of projected films before the paying public, sparking the wholesale move of the medium to projection (Cook, 1990). They quickly became Europe's leading producers with their actualités like Workers Leaving the Lumière Factory and comic vignettes like The Sprinkler Sprinkled (both 1895). Even Edison, initially dismissive of projection, joined the trend with the Vitascope within less than six months.
1894 - Louis Lumiere invents the cinematograph a single-unit camera, developer, and movie projector. Kinetoscopes, meanwhile, were popular and profitable. On January 7, W.K. Dickson receives a patent for motion picture film.
1895 - The Arrival of a Train premiered on a large screen December 28 at the Grand Cafe in Paris, France. Louis and his brother Auguste Lumiere also filmed Workers Leaving the Lumiere Factory that year, while in the US Woodville Latham combined a Kinetoscope with a projecting device. People were avidly watching nickelodeons on Broadway in New York City.
1896 - Edison loses W. K. Dickson who joins with other inventors and investors to form the American Mutoscope Company. The company manufactured the mutoscope as a rival to the Kinetoscope and, like Edison, produced films for its invention. Expanding on the idea, American Mutoscope then developed the "biograph" which was a projector allowing films to be shown in theatres to a large audience rather than in single-user nickelodeons. Edison entered the competition for development of a large projector he called the Vitascope. This year also debuted the work of first female film director, Alice Guy-Blaché's The Cabbage Fairy. Vitascope Hall in New Orleans opened in June of this year.
1897 - US President William McKinley's inauguration was filmed, the first US newsreel. In England the Prestwich Camera is patented.
1899 - With the success of the biograph, American Mutoscope changed its name to American Mutoscope and Biograph Company. In England Edward R. Turner and F. Marshall Lee create chronophotographic images through red, green and blue filters and project them with together with a three-lens projector.
1900 - Synchronized sound was first demonstrated in at the Paris Exposition with a sound-on-disc system
 
Paul

No , of course , i do not know , who could ? ? ?
But the question is allowed and correct .
But there is one thing for shure , whenever i go out in future and take my CFV with me , i will have an E12 magazine and a film with me . And guys out there , this time , i really mean it as a "BACKUP" . My confidence in digital photography has gone to almost zero .
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Ohhhhhhhhhh

I forgot , and for that "lovely feeling" , i was allowed to spent a hell of a lot of bugs (€) .
Life can be so interesting .
 
Software to be reset? Hm. The software engineer in me calls that bugs..

And indeed, the MTBF of a good ol' film back is in a completely different league than any digiback. Remember, rollfilm is around since (I think) 1901 or somesuch.

Still this is unacceptable, especially given that not even pro's can afford to carry a backup digiback. A film back might save their day if a digiback goes pear-shaped, but they will still incur financial damage if their workflow is geared towards digital and have to get the film scanned etc.

Or in short: this stinks.

Wilko
 
Hey Wilko,

I never met a computerized anything that I didn't have to boot it once in awhile... uh ar oops! I mean re-boot it. High tech is 10 times as fast when it works and 100 times slower when it doesn't. It's all part of life now. I got into MF digital with a used 16MP Kodak dcs back for my 503CW. It's great but even that has it's lock-ups at times, you just learn to live with it and I never go anywhere without a backup (2 A12's and 10 rolls 120 Reala).

Regards,
Franc
 
Richard, I am a newbie to the forum and have been reading and watching what people have to say. Yours is truly most interesting...but what was the question. I think I missed something somewhere. To everyone else thanks for discussing some truly great topics. I'm still shooting on film and read with interest developments re. digital backs etc.Who knows, perhaps the bugs will be worked out and by then I can afford to dream of buying one. Keep up the good work. Cheers Wolf von Kehler
 
Wolf von Kehler (Wolfdvk)

Wolf,

My post was in response to Paul Kirchhoff's (Polypal)post "Have you any idea how often good old film has saved a photographer when digital failed to record images as was intended?" My point was that our progress with 'The Image' has a history dating back years.

It seems the current sensation is 'Digital', but with the caveat that we have film in our back pocket 'Just in Case'.

Looking at the history of Modern Photograpy forward from George Eastman and Edison to our current day, 'Film still Lives'.

Film has magic. Certainly Digital has a developing future, and will become a standard. But Film was standard, now Film is an art form.

My point with all this, was to look back at succession of capturing images, optics, cameras, and image media.

Photography is a process, where the Photographer is the key factor either with film or digital, resulting in 'The Image'.

Richard
 
Hi Franc,

Sure, I know, I work in the IT industry. I've done both hardware and software design, test and support work. So I have seen my share of 'interesting' problems :)

But still I like this quote:

"If builders built the way programmers program, the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilisation".

To be honest, I am not convinced that Juergen's obnoxious CFV is (only) suffering from a firmware issue, I would not be surprised if there is (also?) a hardware build problem in it.

Lets hope the problem gets sorted soon, and that the actual problem gets explained to Juergen.

Wilko
 
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