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what i really miss...

I love H3D as it is, but i will never regret if there will be that 45 degree VF.
For now i still shoot portraits and rarely some still life, but my interest in photography is landscape.
 
dont count on it googliser...their in production now..but same old crappy compared to the slr ones.. screen...


Lemon
 
Such as?

Paul

Err..a rotatable back mount for the sensor..al la Mamiya RB67 Pro S for a start. I was surprised to see that this was not an option on the H3 as it is extremely useful. Also, a *proper* sensor screen protector such as those employed on even low end DSLR's..that bit of flimsy pull-off translucent film on the back of my sensor is really inadequate. Paying £14,000 for a camera should sort of ensure that proper "add-ons" are not skimped upon. Why no proper translucent polycarbonate sensor screen protector on your cameras?

Regards

David
 
pixelman,'

i talk to the hoodman people about getting something for our camera..their answere was...seriously " how many h3d2 owners out there?" not worth it for us...

go figure...i am currently using my pda. acreen protector..

hope someone at hassy looks at our thread..

lemon
 
pixelman,'

hope someone at hassy looks at our thread..

lemon


Sorry Lemonlib I hit the wrong button, would not dare to interfere with your post.

I think you will be surprised what people at Hasselblad are looking at.
They are open to suggestions but their means are limited.
It is like with a decent protective cover for the display:
A low volume cover would cost a bundle. Still it makes sense to keep those suggestions coming.


Paul
 
Sorry Lemonlib I hit the wrong button, would not dare to interfere with your post.

A low volume cover would cost a bundle.


Paul

I understand Paul, but we aren't exactly talking about a point and shoot here. If the display get broken via a slight knock..£11,000 for a new sensor. I really think that if that is the case..cost, then Hasseleblad are skimping on the wrong items.

Regards

David
 
Hello David,

It is no excuse but keep in mind Hasselblad is a relatively small company.
Although their products are state of the art it is impossible to expect from them the kind of product development you will find with volume manufacturers like Canon and Nikon.

Lets help Hasselblad by pointing out sensible improvements on their products like a decent cover for the H3D bodies.
Being small also means being flexible. That is a positive side to the matter.

Paul
 
i wonder i how much ..it would cost to make a cover similar to the nikon ..for the lcd of the h3d2. i know that hoodman would not make one cause its too small of a number..

lemon
 
Paul,

Thank you for your comments. Hasselblad is a small company with many dedicated individuals who are trying produce the highest quality digital systems.

We take all input very seriously, the list of feature and function suggestions is rather extensive and while we can not implement every request, we do focus on those that are most often requested by the largest audience worldwide.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
 
HI Paul,

I'd be interested to see how much more the camera controlling software could be developed.

As the movement of technology goes towards improving hardware production issues (lens abberations) through software correction, so better standards can be achieved at lower costs.

The recent update to Phocus of the custom white balance tool could prove to completely correct the colour shifts that appear on the back (shoot a white sheet under a 45 deg lit copy bench set up, increase the saturation and check your colour pattern), therby making the image from these backs as uniform as film.

With development this tool coupled with the camera's lens recognition system and a custom lens profiler (because each the lenses has different abberations), this could prove the H3 imaging system as delivering the best image quality over both film and digital possible

Worth a thought.
 
so here is the list so far..


1) easier LR like interface....or ...LR being able to manage fff flies

2) cover for the back of the back for lcd....

3) firm ware update for each lens..like canon mark3 .....

4) what else...

Santa Paul ...please please...I have been a good Photographer....

although i took some naught pics..

hehehe

Lemon
 
Lemon

1) easier LR like interface....or ...LR being able to manage fff flies
Maybe i've been using Phocus for so long, I think this software is very straight forward, intuitive and logical in it's layout and can be easily customized, individual tools can be discarded or moved depending on your need and preference, Thumbnails window can be located on bottom or left side, thumbnail size can be resized etc, etc.
It is ready for prime time. As with every new software one must take the time to learn what the capabilities are before passing judgement.

Adobe is already working on reading our 3F/3Fr files, i do not when this will be available .

2) cover for the back of the back for lcd....
Noted from earlier post.

3) firm ware update for each lens..like canon mark3 .....
You already have the option to upgrade the firmware in the digital back and H body, all firmware is posted to our website and is available to registered users.

There has not been a firmware update for lenses in many years so i do not see the need for this.

4) what else...
Ladies and gentlemen, please let me know your requests. I may not respond to every individual post but i check the forum frequently.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
 
I'd be interested to see how much more the camera controlling software could be developed.

Currently, you can control the aperture, shutter speed, ISO, white balance, Program mode, metering mode, adjust EV, mirror lock up, Live video (22, 31 & 39), motor drive, auto focus and manual focus.

I think this is an impressive array of camera control.
Are there other controls that should be considered?

The recent update to Phocus of the custom white balance tool could prove to completely correct the colour shifts that appear on the back (shoot a white sheet under a 45 deg lit copy bench set up, increase the saturation and check your colour pattern), therby making the image from these backs as uniform as film.

With development this tool coupled with the camera's lens recognition system and a custom lens profiler (because each the lenses has different abberations), this could prove the H3 imaging system as delivering the best image quality over both film and digital possible

Does this mean you have used custom white and are satisfied?

Paul
 
Hi Paul,

With Phocus I'm really impressed with the new tools especially the autofocus tweaking.

One thing I miss from Flexcolor is with the zoom tool; with Flex (like Photoshop) one can zoom in to the required magnification and then fine tune navigate left, right, etc to find a feature by which to verify the focusing. With Phocus if one misses the target of the zooming, you are forced to zoom back out and then make a guesstimated move to where the might be target once zoomed back in.

The custom white balance works in so much as to be a solution to the colour uniformity issue, however as yet it doesn't practically work as a tool within Phocus to help the photographer and that part needs developing:

To use the tool one needs to make a custom profile for the lens that is using.

Phocus only allows one profile to be stored. So if one changes the lens and makes a new profile, the first one will be over written and so this means starting all over again when one goes back to the first lens.

This becomes impractical when one is using quite a few lenses. (I'd hate to think of it when using the tilt and shift lens)

If you allow for more pre-named custom profiles* to be added then one would only have to calibrate the lenses once - when they were bought.

Taking this one step further, if you can get the camera's lens recognition system to tell Phocus which lens is being used and hence what prenamed custom profile to apply to that image then you'll have an automated system that provides a perfect image.

* Customiseable profiles pre-named with their relevent focal lengths 28 - 35 - 50- 80 etc. The user calibrates the lens and saves it under the said name profile (which the software recognises as applicable with future usage of that lens).
 
I don't quite understand the need for a 45 degree H finder ... it only works in landscape mode on a 645 ... finders for the H camera are expensive to make (electronic controls are housed in the finder), so I wonder how many Hasselblad would be able to sell even if they made one? Super low volume = super high price. Leaf and Sinar have one because they are for the Rollei 6X6 camera that already had a 45 degree finder.

Berating the MF digital camera companies about a larger square sensor seems futile. They do not make the sensors, Kodak and Dalsa do. There may be larger sensors already in existence, but how much did they cost? Technology funded by industry and the military is usually out of reach for individuals. And, if I'm not mistaken the large Dalsa sensors are for integrated scan cameras.

While it is true that the V cameras are ubiquitous, I also wonder how many people who bought a $900. 501CM would pay $30,000.+ for a larger square digital back? Again, low demand = high price tag.

A new V camera with AF lenses? No thank you. The H camera is just fine. If a 6X6 camera with a rotating back and AF German lenses is what is desired, it already exists ... and demand for it is apparently low ... a good indication that Hasselblad did indeed take the right path ... the same path taken by the other dominate MFD manufacturer, Phase One and their association with Mamiya 645AFD-III.

The practicality of the matter is that whatever these companies do must fit the demands of the professional photographer who can pay the price tag because of business income. Without that demand, the volume for such expensive tools decreases with a resulting increase in price. I would say that demand for a square format digital back is low despite this forum's love of the format. There is low demand for the square in professional digital photography. Most applications are not square, and maximizing the resolution with-in a practical rectangular format is the goal. The demand is far greater for wide applications. The Phase One P65+ back answers this demand with a 53.9 wide sensor, and Leaf does also with it's 56 wide Leaf AFi 10 and Aptus-II 10.

Currently, the best solution for a V camera that, unlike the Rollei, does NOT have a rotating back, is the Leaf Aptus-II 10 which has a 56 meg., 56 X 36 sensor that rotates inside the back @ $35,000. (currently on sale until Aug. 31st for a mere $25,000. ... a bargain compared to the Phase One P65+ @ $39,000.)

This is rarified financial territory that few can justify, especially now. So, how many V owners out there would shell out at least $30,000 for pleasure of using a larger square sensor?
 
I don't quite understand the need for a 45 degree H finder ... it only works in landscape mode on a 645 ... finders for the H camera are expensive to make (electronic controls are housed in the finder), so I wonder how many Hasselblad would be able to sell even if they made one? Super low volume = super high price. Leaf and Sinar have one because they are for the Rollei 6X6 camera that already had a 45 degree finder.

Berating the MF digital camera companies about a larger square sensor seems futile. They do not make the sensors, Kodak and Dalsa do. There may be larger sensors already in existence, but how much did they cost? Technology funded by industry and the military is usually out of reach for individuals. And, if I'm not mistaken the large Dalsa sensors are for integrated scan cameras.

While it is true that the V cameras are ubiquitous, I also wonder how many people who bought a $900. 501CM would pay $30,000.+ for a larger square digital back? Again, low demand = high price tag.

A new V camera with AF lenses? No thank you. The H camera is just fine. If a 6X6 camera with a rotating back and AF German lenses is what is desired, it already exists ... and demand for it is apparently low ... a good indication that Hasselblad did indeed take the right path ... the same path taken by the other dominate MFD manufacturer, Phase One and their association with Mamiya 645AFD-III.

The practicality of the matter is that whatever these companies do must fit the demands of the professional photographer who can pay the price tag because of business income. Without that demand, the volume for such expensive tools decreases with a resulting increase in price. I would say that demand for a square format digital back is low despite this forum's love of the format. There is low demand for the square in professional digital photography. Most applications are not square, and maximizing the resolution with-in a practical rectangular format is the goal. The demand is far greater for wide applications. The Phase One P65+ back answers this demand with a 53.9 wide sensor, and Leaf does also with it's 56 wide Leaf AFi 10 and Aptus-II 10.

Currently, the best solution for a V camera that, unlike the Rollei, does NOT have a rotating back, is the Leaf Aptus-II 10 which has a 56 meg., 56 X 36 sensor that rotates inside the back @ $35,000. (currently on sale until Aug. 31st for a mere $25,000. ... a bargain compared to the Phase One P65+ @ $39,000.)

This is rarified financial territory that few can justify, especially now. So, how many V owners out there would shell out at least $30,000 for pleasure of using a larger square sensor?

Just let me play the advocate for the square and rectangular format at the same time. getting a cropt rectangular format out of from a square sometimes is like using shift lenses when having a pure rectangular format camera. If you crop a square to rectangular in the lower or upper half you avoid distorsions from pointing a rectangular format camera up or down - apart from the square perspective this is an advantage to the square format vs the rectangular format - one of the reasons people on this list still like old square format. Whether professionals will pay for this "advantage" is of course as you mention a matter of price respective income from using the tool. I can see a bigger square coming if one of the MF digital companies goes for it. Then many of the others will follow simply to boast we are number one!!! I myself would want another upgraded CFV back with a larger sensor - albeit price is probably a big if for me.

There is another advantage with 45degree finders - one get a more stableshooting while handholding a camera - at least for me
 
Currently, the best solution for a V camera that, unlike the Rollei, does NOT have a rotating back, is the Leaf Aptus-II 10 which has a 56 meg., 56 X 36 sensor that rotates inside the back @ $35,000. (currently on sale until Aug. 31st for a mere $25,000. ... a bargain compared to the Phase One P65+ @ $39,000.)

This is rarified financial territory that few can justify, especially now. So, how many V owners out there would shell out at least $30,000 for pleasure of using a larger square sensor?


Marc
Thanks for picking this topic up again .
I promise not to be emotional as in the other threads about this topic .

For my kind of work , a square sensor would be the best solution . It would give me a kind of freedom to compose my image , because I do not have to decide about the format at the time I shoot my image .

I can very well see , that depending on the kind of work you have to do , and the kind how your work is presented in prints , the rectangular format is the one you will mostly need .

And for images , which will not be blown up to poster size , or which have a short lifetime , the use of a full format DSLR camera will be a superb solution .
I am thinking for example of a NIKON D3X for sports , or events or even weddings .
Many people do not really see the top quality a MF camera can deliver .

But my dreams still go for a square format sensor bigger than the CFV has .

I must confess , that I have given up hope , that my dream will come true with HASSELBLAD . I have a big hope , that LEAF might fill the gap between the APTUS II - 7 and the APTUS II - 10 with my "dream back" .

And in that case , I do not mind to go for a non HASSELBLAD back .

Lets see , what will come along .

Regards Jürgen
 
Larger sensors are purely a matter of economics.
The current economical situation does not exactly help to produce larger sensors.
Low volume means high prices which again mean less sales.
A manufacturer must be nuts to take that risk during these difficult times.

For professionals using MF the fact that older Zeiss glass loses their WA capability because of smaller sensors is not a point.
They simply move on to camera systems that provide shorter lenses with or without software corrections.

The V series is a victim of Hasselblad policy not to invest in new developments for those cameras anymore.
That also means no shorter lens, capable of ging WA performance with a digital back.

It is highly unlikely that CZ will take the initiative and start with the development of a shorter lens for the 500 series.
There simply is not enough demand or prospective demand for those lenses.
 
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