So noonebs using Ancient Hasselblads then

[jotloob]

Paul

Your generous offer is very well understood .

Thanks for that joke . Today I can laugh again and I am very happy with my CFV BACK .

Paul wrote ## Shutterspeeds deviate maximum of 15% from the nominal value ## .
Is this a general experience , is it + or - . Some years ago , I could measure the exposure times of my C-lenses , using an osciloscope . Unfortunately I have none available any more .

How do you set the shutter speeds correctly ?
I used to turn the knob in the same direction as for film transport . Is that correct ?

Ulrik
If you are near Baden-Baden , don't miss to visit the Geroldsauer-Wasserfall . It is just great there . Have a nice time . Hopefully you have a tripod with you .

 

[polypal]

Jürgen,

Shuttersspeeds deviate within a range of + and - 15 %
Some speeds are a little faster others a little slower.
It means even for slides the most critical exposure tolerance can bet met.

I make it a habit to transport first and then change the shutterspeed.
I always turn the knob clockwise.
You can make a difference between the 1600F and the 1000F.
It is vital for the 1600F to transport first and after that change the shutterspeed.Many 1600F cameras are seized because of an attempt to change the shutterspeed with a camera that has not been transported first.
For the 1000F this is not absolutely neccesary but I keep one system for both cameras.

Paul

 

[jotloob]

Paul

Thanks for your advice . So I will always transport film first and then set the shutterspeed in clockwise direction .
Enjoy your stay in Poland .

Regards Jurgen

 

[simonpg]

Reading this thread has titillated me!

One day I'd love to add a 1600F even if it does have some sensitivities. Jurgen's enthusiasm for these re-sparked a long held desire!

But out of interest in what year was the 1600F launched? Is the lens mount compatible with 500 camera lenses? I suppose such backward compatibility is just too much to expect, even though Jurgen has pointed out that current backs are able to be used on the 1600F.

Also, were there more than one lens maker for Hasselblad back then? I recall (right or wrong) that Kodak was at one time Hasselblad's lens maker of choice - I think it was something to do with Victor's distribution relationship with Eastman Kodak early one even before he put his mind to a 6x6 MF SLR.

Was the SW / SWA launched around the same time? If so, then what lens did it boast - the Biogon 38mm?

If not, when was the Biogon 38mm introduced? Was Zeiss' 38mm design exclusive to Hasselblad? Has the optical design changed - I understand that it certainly had no optical design from some early point in its life (just changes in coatings as Zeiss continued to develop enhancements to coatings over time?

And, finally, did Zeiss need to make any optical change to the Biogon 38mm when lead free glass became used or was it sufficient to rely upon new coatings and the glass makers' new glass types?

Thanks for the history lesson guys.

 

[qnu]

The 1600 F was introduced on october 6th, 1948, at the New York Athletic Club.

The lens mount is completely different: a combination of screw and bayonet mount.
But not only the 1000-series mount is different, the flange to film distance is too.

The latest backs are no longer usable on 1000-series cameras.
1000-series cameras have a short metal pin, above the wind gear, that shoots out, tripping a catch inside the 1000-series magazines.
Hasselblad magazines have for a very long time had a small round hole, with nothing behind it, to allow this pin somewhere to go if such a back would be used on a 1000-series camera.
The latest backs do not have this hole anymore, and must not be used on 1000-series cameras.

The official supplier of lenses to begin with was Kodak. And noone else.
But that did not stop many other manufacturers to offer their lenses in Hasselblad mount, or offer adapters to make them fit.

After Kodak (too expensive) came Zeiss, and Dallmeyer (who made a long telephoto for Hasselblad).

The SWA/SW was launched at the 1954 Photokina in Cologne.
The lens it had was the very same as still present on the 903 SWC.
The one on he 905 SWC has indeed undergone slight modifications, only because they had to use different types of glass, yes.
There is no need to change a good thing, is there?

(The f/5.6 250 mm Sonnar is also still the same lens it was when introduced in 1954.)

 

[jotloob]

Here is the gear Q.G is talking about

and here is the glass family

But HASSELBLAD has announced a new model in 2007 which looks like this

This is dedicated especially for my friend Simon from down under .
I do hope the kangoos dont steel the lenses .

Jürgen

 

[gjames52]

Jurgen:

I hope they don't snag your pen set!

That is some beautiful gear Jurgen:

Regards:

Gilbert

 

[simonpg]

Jurgen, just like Gilbert said - FANTASTIC gear. How elegant and wonderful industrial design! I wonder who actually did the body design concept?

Like QG said about the 250mm lens, you don't need to change something that is good! WOW and all future iterations of the V series continued the overall design theme - how enduring it has been!

Thanks for posting the gear here - you just don't see the 1600/1000 series in used gear stores. Great shots of them too.

The SWC also looks a treat - a wonderful collection.

Well my friend Jurgen, now you post here some images made with the beautiful 1600F and its lenses - I'm sure they will be a treat to see - the kangaroos are getting restless.

Many thanks QG for the history - nice to know.

I'm keeping the kangaroos away from the computer screen - their paws will scratch it!

 

[simonpg]

Oh... and I meant to say - Jurgen that is one wonderful pen set! How clever! So, the 1600F does not make a good paper-weight, but it makes a great pen and pencil holder!

 

[qnu]

Simon,

Responsible for most of the exterior design was Karl-Erik Sixten Andersson, a.k.a. Sixten Sason, one of Sweden's first industrial designers.

In the picture, by the way, is not an "SWC": the "C" is a later designation, first used in the 500-series' 500 C, and first applied to the superwides in 1959, when they got the same type shutter and barrel as the C-lenses.
The picture shows a "Super Wide".

And another 'by the way': the 250 mm lens in the picture is not the f/5.6 we still have today, but an f/4 variety that preceded the f/5.6.

 

[jotloob]

Gilbert

Nice that you like the new HASSELBLAD model .
Lets call it HASSELBLAD 500EL ash .
The wooden ground plate and the bowl are handmade by a local turner and the wood is ash.
You can drink beer from it , but for a BAVARIAN this bowl is too small .

Far too small .

Regards Jürgen

 

[simonpg]

Jurgen, after a closer look I realised that the superb pen and pencil desk holder you have is an 500EL body. Did it have a tragic death in its former life?

You could build a great business making and selling these!!!

Bavarian Hasselblads in ash and chrome!!

And as a sideline, making special lens hoods for the 60mm!!

Thanks Q G. Yes, I forgot that the SW preceeded the C lens version SW. Wow an f4 250mm lens must have needed a cart to drag it around!

What a wonderful name that Swedish industrial designer had.

 

[jotloob]

Simon

The 500EL body was obtained from X-BAY and it was a brand new replacement part .
It came from a swedish seller . I have the body since about 2 years and I think , the price was 90.-€ .

Regards Jürgen

 

[simonpg]

Well that was certainly a good fun treat Jurgen.

Hey, here is an amusing thought - you know how those Yanks love putting bull's horns on the bonnet of their "pick-up-trucks"; well maybe you could find another Hassy body to put up front of the Bavarian flier!

 

[gjames52]

Hey, here is an amusing thought - you know how those Yanks love putting bull's horns on the bonnet of their "pick-up-trucks"; well maybe you could find another Hassy body to put up front of the Bavarian flier! >
Simon:

Heck, lets all meet in the hill country of Texas and shoot some of this fine equipment. Perhaps will see and old Cadillac adorned with long horns or something!

BTW-Is there any Bavarian Beer in Texas? If not I am sure there are enough "long necks".

Regards:

Gilbert

 

[jotloob]

Gilbert

There is BAVARIAN beer available in the U.S. , but I could not tell you where you can buy it .
But I can remember very well , I once visited a bavarian beer festival in Kingston/N.Y.
It was LÖWENBRÄU . Good beer from Munich . But there are many other good beers around here . All brewed according to the purity law from 1516 only using barleymalt , hops and water . Nothing else . That is good beer .
There is an other purity law , not that old :
HASSELBLAD V-SYSTEM CAMERAS and ZEISS LENSES . Nothing else . That is best gear .

Regards Jürgen .

 

[qnu]

I can't help but find it amusing when the Reinheitsgebot is mentioned, with pride as a mark of quality.
It might be. But is it?

It came to be, because Bavarian beers (then the thing city people drank, because water was often just too filthy) were indeed very bad, people putting everything and anything in it. Mostly with fraudulous intent.
To put an end to that, the "purity law" was issued.

The beers from elsewhere were so much better, and did not need such an intervention by the law. The guilds, and the brewers themselves took care of that, without needing prompting.

So was the Reinheitsgebot realy something to be proud of?
Did the Bavarian beer, after it was brewn according to the Gebot, suddenly surpass other beers? Or is the fact that it lasted that long a sign that it was indeed very much needed, long after it was first issued?

Anyway. I hope we Hasselblad users don't split up in a puritanical sect of Hasselbladians, and a lenient faction of Hasselbladders.
Please, no Reinheitsgebot!

 

[semmelblad]

Q.G.
thanks for intervening. Though I am German I drink belgian beer here and then. Regarding Hasselblad: Though I have mostly Zeiss glass for Hasselblad some of it was not made in Oberkochen but in Jena and there is even other stuff featuring inscriptions like "Mamiya" or "Arsat" . If it is not for highest quality it is at least for fun.

Ulrik

 

[jotloob]

Q.G.

Nothing to be afraid of .

You should not take my posting about the reinheitsgebot too serious .
You should know me by now . I react sometimes very emotional and can be very sarcastic .
But we all also know , the meals are not eaten at the temperature , they were cooked .
Right ? ? ?

And for shure , there will be no split up , I have got nothing of that in my mind .
I use gear of different brands and never ever have the feeling of beeing a sinner .

And BTW , I very seldom drink beer . I do prefer red wine . In vino veritas .
But I do like this emoticon .

Best regards Jürgen

 

[qnu]

Jürgen,

Don't worry. I know.