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Phocus 4.0

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stephanbruehl

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Phocus 4.0 Desktop Version seems to have severe bugs.
It simply crashes if one wants to apply the new HNNR noise reduction.
The other thing is that using the import button doesn‘t transform the 3fr to the more condensed fff format, but creates another 3fr file.
Maybe this is because now the 3fr files can be edited directly and fff doesn’t have importance any longer.
But if you work tethered then a fff file is saved to the computer.

All very confusing…
 
Somebody suggested that on camera, the X2D, that you hit Skip when first connected, and then the import works as expected. That was in response to a similar post. I can’t see how it made a difference. I’ll text later.
 
Patrick said:
Somebody suggested that on camera, the X2D, that you hit Skip when first connected, and then the import works as expected. That was in response to a similar post. I can’t see how it made a difference. I’ll text later.
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The tethering is not the problem. But just the use of Phocus Desktop. If you click on a 3fr file to open the context menu then import will just create another 3fr file. If you click on HNNR then the program will crash… that‘s the issue!!
 
I never mentioned tethering. In reply to the same 3FR issue, somebody replied that changing to skip on camera resolved the issue and that you then got FFF files from Phocus. It didn't make much sense to me, thought I'd share it though
 
and no. that , not surprisingly, didn't work. you must select mass storage on camera to connect to a Mac. and imported 3fr files remain 3fr when I import using Phocus /. import and not FFF

I guess we'll need Phocus 4.01
 
oops

READ ME file says one can edit directly from the 3FR ...


Direct Editing of 3FR Files

Phocus 4.0 now supports direct editing of 3FR files from all X, CFV, and H6D cameras.

• 3FR images can be edited directly, without conversion to FFF.

• All adjustments are saved in a sidecar file, keeping the original RAW untouched.

• When importing from a camera or folder, the images remain as 3FR files and

are no longer converted to FFF.

Improved Highlight Recovery and Dynamic Range handling

• Using Exposure version V4

• Applies for both SDR and HDR

Support for new hardware

This release introduces support for the new X2D II 100C camera and the new

XCD35-100E lens.

Quality of Life improvement

Phocus 4.0 includes n
 
My understanding is that Phocus 4 automatically applies HNNR with no option to skip or modify the noise reduction in any way. So if you already processed a file in Phocus Mobile 2 and then import into Phocus desktop, it's applying NR twice, which is diminishing image quality. Is that correct or am I reading the manual wrong?
 
You cannot apply it twice. This already occurs in Phocus Mobile. If applied the option appears greyed out.
 
yr_boy_jw said:
My understanding is that Phocus 4 automatically applies HNNR with no option to skip or modify the noise reduction in any way. So if you already processed a file in Phocus Mobile 2 and then import into Phocus desktop, it's applying NR twice, which is diminishing image quality. Is that correct or am I reading the manual wrong?
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No, after you imort the file, then youhave tomuse a right click on the picture - there are some options, so HNNR. A working window now opens and you can see the progress.
 
stephanbruehl said:
Phocus 4.0 Desktop Version seems to have severe bugs.
It simply crashes if one wants to apply the new HNNR noise reduction.
The other thing is that using the import button doesn‘t transform the 3fr to the more condensed fff format, but creates another 3fr file.
Maybe this is because now the 3fr files can be edited directly and fff doesn’t have importance any longer.
But if you work tethered then a fff file is saved to the computer.

All very confusing…
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Not my experience, all works well... What I really miss is to import the files as fff-files. They have a 30% smaller file size and I dont' need HNNR on each file.
 
mixmaster said:
Not my experience, all works well... What I really miss is to import the files as fff-files. They have a 30% smaller file size and I dont' need HNNR on each file.
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What is your desktop equipment and OS??
I have a Mac Studio M1 Max with 64 GB RAM, running with OS 13.3.1(a) [Ventura]
Phocus 4.0 is running well, the only problem is the crash with the HNNR option.

To import fff files you have to connect the camara via USB then choose skip on the display for tethered mode and then go to the camera SSD within Phocus. If you click on a 3fr thumb nail you get the information „old 3fr have to be imported first“ and then you can store the fff as before with older versions of Phocus.
 
stephanbruehl said:
What is your desktop equipment and OS??
I have a Mac Studio M1 Max with 64 GB RAM, running with OS 13.3.1(a) [Ventura]
Phocus 4.0 is running well, the only problem is the crash with the HNNR option.

To import fff files you have to connect the camara via USB then choose skip on the display for tethered mode and then go to the camera SSD within Phocus. If you click on a 3fr thumb nail you get the information „old 3fr have to be imported first“ and then you can store the fff as before with older versions of Phocus.
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I use Mac mini M4 Pro 24GB RAM, running with macOS 15.4.1, HNNR works well on 3FR-Files.
Your workaround to get fff-files ist quit cool, but I can't see the "old 3FR have be...", but when I check the in this way imported files, then it's an fff-File (no HNNR possible anymore). Great. Thanks
 
mixmaster said:
No, after you imort the file, then youhave tomuse a right click on the picture - there are some options, so HNNR. A working window now opens and you can see the progress.
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Thanks. I played around with it a bit last night and the way it works, it seems, is that HNNR can only be applied to 3FR files (by right clicking the thumbnail, as you said). Phocus Mobile can export TIFF, JPG, HEIF or FFF files but not 3FR. So if you start an edit in Phocus Mobile, you wouldn't be able to double-apply it.

I haven’t run into a lot of bugs yet but, man, is it slow!
 
yr_boy_jw said:
Phocus Mobile can export TIFF, JPG, HEIF or FFF files but not 3FR.
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That's not correct. Phocus Mobile CANNOT export FFF. If you choose "original" in the export dialogue, it is always a 3FR file, which in the file name may have a specification if you did apply HNNR beforehand ("denoised_p" or "denoised_d", depending on the method). If you then open such a file with Phocus 4.0 (desktop) then HNNR is greyed out as I said before. So you cannot apply it twice.
 
stephanbruehl said:
Phocus 4.0 Desktop Version seems to have severe bugs.
It simply crashes if one wants to apply the new HNNR noise reduction.
The other thing is that using the import button doesn‘t transform the 3fr to the more condensed fff format, but creates another 3fr file.
Maybe this is because now the 3fr files can be edited directly and fff doesn’t have importance any longer.
But if you work tethered then a fff file is saved to the computer.

All very confusing…
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That is because in a mindless decision Hasselblad decided this feature would only be available in iOS devices. Really Hasselblad, the vast majority of your customers are NOT teenagers.
 
CHECK OUT BEST SETUP INDICATED BY MULTIPLE ASTERIXES BELOW AFTER READING HOW I DISCOVERED HOW TO GET 3F (FFF) FILES NEXT.... I connected my camera to my Mac Studio via the provided USB-C cable and imported the 3FR files directly to an external drive through the Phocus software. When they were done uploading from the camera to the external drive, I noticed the files in the thumbnail section had only HDR in the upper left hand corner of the files. Additionally, I right-clicked some of the files and found that HNNR was grayed out on all of them. That is when I opened Finder and found that they were all 3F files. This had happened before and I was actually was trying to replicate it and was successful. I think it does that if you don't do anything to them in Phocus except to use it as a conduit. I have been informed that neither 3FR nor 3F files have the HNCS (color science) built in. *************I think the best option is to connect the camera, apply HNNR by selecting all of the images by using Command-A (or by clicking on the first image and then shift-clicking on the last image) and then right-click any image and select HNNR. It takes forever and may appear to be "stuck", but it will eventually apply it to all of the images selected. It just takes forever. You may be able to do this using "Modify". I'm pretty sure DRC is automatically applied, but you are supposed to apply "Adaptive" to all of the images as well for chromatic aberration. I'm pretty sure that is all you have to do to get the HNNR and the HNCS applied to all of the images. Then you export them all as Tiff-16 using Prophoto RGB (the Prophoto RGB must be added via the edit button somewhere in the export dialog, but not exactly sure how I did it). By the way, if you don't want Lightroom Classic to add it's default color science, go to preferences, the Presets, then Global, select Camera settings, check Override Global Setting for Specific Cameras, below you will find your Hasselblad. Select it. Then below, beside Default, select Camera Settings.
 
I'm getting spinning beachballs and 100%+ cpu usage when clicking on any 3fr thumbnail that has had any type of adjustment applied to it. This is happening on 2 different computers with 40gb ram and internal ssd. 3.6.x worked fine without any delay (well, minimum at times) but having trouble with the larger 3fr and Phocus redraw.
 
Phocus 4.0.1 appears to be marginally more stable and less RAM hungry than 4.0, on my Intel i7 5K iMac. Am I correct that HNNR is not available for images from my X2D-100C Mk.1 but HCNS is?
 
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