Paul Claesson HUSA
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Congratulations and welcome to the Hasselblad family.
Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
Congratulations and welcome to the Hasselblad family.
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Paul Claesson HUSA
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Hasselblad captured to DNG with the H2D in 2005 and moved away from this native format to the 3FR, this compressed file format allowed a much faster rate.
"Closed system" actually I prefer integrated system. Hasselblad was the first in Medium Format to go this route in Photokina 2004 with the H1D, currently we are on our 4th generation DSLR and now our competitors have moved in this direction as well, Phase One is on there 1st gen 645, Leaf has announced their 2nd generation. It would appear to me that there are certain benefits to have a body dedicated to specific digital magazine.
DAC - Digital Auto Correction
1. Chromatic aberration
2. Distortion
3. Vignetting
Hasselblad has mapped 11 lenses in the HC/HCD product line, including combinations with tele-converter, extension tubes and has generated in excess of 70,000 data files used for DAC corrections.
We've implemented Ultrafocus, Firmware updating for digital magazines via Flexcolor and Phocus (since 2005), 3" TFT display ... the list goes on.
Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
erick
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Paul there is no advantages not to use dng , a camera is a camera and post-processing is something else
most part of pro are using lightroom and photoshop CS4 , I don't want to use Phocus , Flexcolor ... Hasselblad is not my only Camera (Canon 1Ds mark III , canon 5D) and I want only one software for all
Hasselblad is actually doing what microsoft windows did (and do) : keep quiet , we make ALL for you ! this is not my way and not the way of many pro photographers, I want to shoot with body (sensor) + lenses and see what I get
even with my Canon powershot G10 (350 euros) I can do long exposure
why don't you let the possibility to choose between dng or 3FR ? that is a first step for what I call open
most part of pro are using lightroom and photoshop CS4 , I don't want to use Phocus , Flexcolor ... Hasselblad is not my only Camera (Canon 1Ds mark III , canon 5D) and I want only one software for all
I can do it myself
Hasselblad is actually doing what microsoft windows did (and do) : keep quiet , we make ALL for you ! this is not my way and not the way of many pro photographers, I want to shoot with body (sensor) + lenses and see what I get
even with my Canon powershot G10 (350 euros) I can do long exposure
why don't you let the possibility to choose between dng or 3FR ? that is a first step for what I call open
Totally agree, let us photographers the descision-making! Anyway, for archiving after postprocessing, I convert all my files into "dng" for the future.
erick
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I am doing exactly the same
... why don't they listen ?
Professional
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Thank you very much
The salesman i bought that hassy from told me that even Phase one has some slightly advantage to H3D but he still prefer closed [integrated] system, and i see that i prefer to work with integrated system than separated parts to work together, the only advantage to me with open system is that i can use both worlds [Film and Digital].
I have 7 Canon DSLRs including Nikon Coolpix 8800 and i always working with RAW then converting to TIFF then on PS or lightroom i convert it again to JPEG, so for me it is not a big issue to use 3FR then convert to TIFF or JPEG, with Canon RAWs i always use DPP first then most of the time i use PS for more and final editing.
Paul Claesson HUSA
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Well, there actually is an advantage to using 3F files, any saved adjustments made, Export to Tiff or Jpeg are stored in the header and can be retrieved at a later date.
I also know many Pro's using "Aperture" which does work with 3FR and 3F files. I do understand as a Pro you use the right tool for the job, same when photographers shot with film, it was not uncommon to see 553ELX next to an RZ67 next to a 4x5 ...
In a perfect world a photographer would need only one camera (Hasselblad of course ;-) ) one software, with every plugin currently available from third party vendors incorporated. The holy grail does not exist yet.
You do have the option to "Export to DNG" in Flexcolor, nothing is applied to the 3FR. However, you can choose to import your image into Flexcolor and then take advantage of the Hasselblad RGB input profile and also DAC level 1 is applied.
The primary reason Hasselblad moved away from capturing to DNG was capture rate, at the time is took approx 5 seconds per capture to write to DNG whereas changing to 3FR allowed us a capture rate of 1.4 seconds for 39, 1.2 seconds for 31mp. Hasselblad takes all input from photographers, Pro's as well as enthusiasts very seriously and we look at what changes and improvments will satisfy the greater majority of photographers.
Regarding DNG, I too converted all 3F/3FR images to DNG, I did that for about a year and stopped, I now archive 3FR on DVD and 3F on DVD and Hard drives. I don't believe that DNG turned out to be the industry standard that Adobe had hoped for or many photographers as well. This is my personal opinion and not that of my company.
Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
Paul Claesson HUSA
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Is the question "why doesn't Hasselblad listen"
I think we do. Hasselblad was the first medium format company to incorprate the ability to "Export to DNG" directly from Raw 3F files or "Save" to DNG after import.
I remember this so vividly. At Photoeast in NYC, October 2005. Many photographers asked about Hasselblad supporting DNG, within a couple of months we had a new Flexcolor with the options above. It certainly helped that our CEO Christian Poulsen spoke to many photographers first hand in New York.
I could provide a long list of feature requests that we have had from photographers and their inclusion into the system.
Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
Paul Claesson HUSA
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I used to think so regarding DNG.
I understand and we are working in this.
What is the longest exposure you would need?
Paul
erick
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Peter Stig-Nielsen at Photokina said he will send me a prototype to try 5 or 6 minutes @100 ISO (I think it is enough and a very flexible exposure time), he took my name , email and phone number ...
he certainly has forgotten and probably other things to do :-(
I don't want to sell my Hasselblad gear , I love it , but actually I don't know what to do
he certainly has forgotten and probably other things to do :-(
I work in the automobile industry,most of the time outdoors, and I often need several minutes exposure
I don't want to sell my Hasselblad gear , I love it , but actually I don't know what to do
erick
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Not really , Canon doesn't want to add a MLU button ... and so on for many companies
It is quite easy to speak with Hasselblad , by Email they answer at once, here or on luminous-landscape ...
My opinion is that they (you) are targeting at the first place Studio and fashion photo shooting , and I understand that you must sell
Professional
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am happy that my first come here and the thread going further, i think there are many things to learn, still i am not a medium format user even i have one now, but i will never give up my Canon DSLR as well.
erick
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I nearly don't use my Canon , except in the town because you cannot so easily walk with an Hasselblad in the streets ... each girl come to talk with you and you cannot be quiet
))Professional
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I nearly don't use my Canon , except in the town because you cannot so easily walk with an Hasselblad in the streets ... each girl come to talk with you and you cannot be quiet
Not me, i still have difficult time to walk around with my Canon cameras, so i can't imagine if i use my hasselblad around, and my next travel [this year] will be to New York, so i think i should go with a point and shoot better.
polypal
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Thanks to Paul Cleasson we have a better contact with Hasselblad now.
I would like to thank him for explaining the position of Hasselblad.
Of course Hasselblad listens to their clients. Clients are the reason for the existence of any business. You can not do without clients.
I am sorry to hear Erick did not yet get an answer from Hasselblad on his request to make long exposures possible.
It can be the done. The sensor is not the problem here.
Phase One uses that same sensor and offers longer exposures.
I will follow closely what happens to the closed platforms.
Phase One mentioned they were working on breaking the code that Hasselblad uses so they can offer Phase One DB for Hasselblad H3D bodies.
Till now no further news from Phase One.
There are many pros and cons for closed platforms.
I tend to go with those that find this not a positive development.
Paul
I would like to thank him for explaining the position of Hasselblad.
Of course Hasselblad listens to their clients. Clients are the reason for the existence of any business. You can not do without clients.
I am sorry to hear Erick did not yet get an answer from Hasselblad on his request to make long exposures possible.
It can be the done. The sensor is not the problem here.
Phase One uses that same sensor and offers longer exposures.
I will follow closely what happens to the closed platforms.
Phase One mentioned they were working on breaking the code that Hasselblad uses so they can offer Phase One DB for Hasselblad H3D bodies.
Till now no further news from Phase One.
There are many pros and cons for closed platforms.
I tend to go with those that find this not a positive development.
Paul
erick
Member
But can you buy a H3D II without Hasselblad back ?
I'd really love to see a H3 (upgrade for H1/H2) with the ability to use any Back and the new HCD lenses , the H2F does not work with Phase one
Professional
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Me too, ...... Amen!
In fact i was looking to buy H3 without digital back but i found only H1 and H2, but at the end i will not lose if i got H3D, it is still phenomenal camera over Canon/Nikon DSRLs, so as long it is my first medium format then i have to learn on that until i can afford another better features/performances medium format in the future.
Professional
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And i didn't think about anything else just looking at it, i had reading about many medium formats and even large formats but my mind was always going with H3D.