First results from the new CFV 39

[1000F]

I worked out I'll be 153 when I will be able to afford a s/h digital back like the CFV39 - so I've decided to stick to film....

stick to a good diet, stay in shape, stop drinking and smoking if you do either of those, and you might make it!

 

[sportback]

There's no way I'd ever be able to manage the first two - and I enjoy the last two far too much...

Looks like I'm stuck to using film then

 

[polypal]

stick to a good diet, stay in shape, stop drinking and smoking if you do either of those, and you might make it!

That is what my doctor said last time I had a check up.

Will I live longer?

"No you will not live longer but it sure looks quite a bit longer!"

Paul

 

[JAT]

CFV-39 or film

Both will do for me for the time being. They are complementary and I will keep using Portra 160V alongside with my CFV-39.
After having taking pictures for more than 50 years, I am still a strong believer in film for the right circumstances (although the choices get slimmer and slimmer). You don't take digital stuff with you when going to the beach or on a safari after all ... Scanned film stacks up against digital, but is different. Its the power of AND ... not the dilemma of either or ...

 

[JAT]

1000f

Don't be worried, it toke me half a century to be able to afford Hasselblad ... and film is good, oh so good, but such a different media to work with. Pitty that the choice gets so narrow, and one has to develop film at home. Development centers are getting scarse, with longer waiting lists. This is one of the main reasons why I entered into CFV-39.
But believe in the power of AND (film and digital).

 

[wbulte]

That is what my doctor said last time I had a check up.

Will I live longer?

"No you will not live longer but it sure looks quite a bit longer!"

Paul

Now where did I hear that quote before?

 

[saad]

I got my CFV39

I didn't really get to test the CFV39 properly, but I was up until 4am trying to establish what the differences are between the CFV16 and CFV39. In another thread Paul asks The fundamental question of big pixel versus small, and it will be my mission to establish what we loose and gain with the new CFV39.

To this point it appears that the CFV16 has a one stop advantage in dynamic range, but I will confirm this in the next few days.

I have confirmed that diffraction sets in at f11 with the CFV39 and at f16 with the CFV16. The best maximum aperture for the CFV39 is f8.

Moire is off the charts with the CFV39, while it is acceptable with the CFV16. This will be further confirmed. I photographed the tiny speaker hole on my TV speaker in room light for this obsevation with my CFE40IF.

Of course the pictures with the CFV39 are sharper, in the next few days I will use daylight to establish the extent of that clarity.

All the above are just first impressions, absolute facts will be coming.

Saad

 

[blowupster]

Thanks for interesting infos.
What about the 800 asa mode. Acceptable or not ? Or only a survival kit ?


Diffraction at 11 and the best at 8.0... that's close to my conclusion for 24x36mm digitals like my M8. Pixel density has a limite.

 

[saad]

Hi blowupstor, (is that your name? . I just finished a couple of shots in sunlight as apposed to last night in low ambient room light. Things are looking different in daylight.

I tried iso 800 and was impressed, not too far from iso 400 and at this point I think, I repeat I think it is very usable.

In low light the CFV16 highlights did not get blown as easily as the CFV39, but now in full sunlight the CFV39 is mellower than the harsher CFV16 highlights.

The part I love right now is that shadow detail on the CFV39 is about noticeably better than the CFV16.

And of course the CFV39 photos are sharper.

Tonal range? I am still trying to figure that out. But right I am coming out of the depression I was in last night.

 

[bradleygibson]

Ditto, thanks, Saad!

 

[blowupster]

(...)

In low light the CFV16 highlights did not get blown as easily as the CFV39, but now in full sunlight the CFV39 is mellower than the harsher CFV16 highlights.

The part I love right now is that shadow detail on the CFV39 is about noticeably better than the CFV16.

(...)

Does it mean that the real iso setting of the 50 asa mode is 80 asa with a CF-39 and 50asa for a 16Mpix ?

 

[saad]

I think the other way around 50 for CFV39. The higher the iso the less the dynamic range as I understand it.

I also found the that in daylight moire for both is about the same.

It will be nice when Jurgen gets his, then we can compare notes on this forum.

Saad

 

[saad]

Cfv-39 iso 800

This is the first time I am going to post a picture so I hope you will be patient just in case I make a mistake or two.

The photo was taken with the 205FCC
Mirror up self timer at 2s on a tripod
Lens FE110 @ f2.8

This is a quick photo taken to show those of you interested the CFV39 800 iso usability. I like it very much.

The second is actual pixels.

What you see over the net is very different to what I see on my imac, but the pictures will give you an idea.

Saad

 

[saad]

Ooops made a mistake

My last photos were at iso 400 and not iso 800.

regards
Saad

 

[saad]

The following are photos taken at iso 800 But the picture was over-exposed by 1.25 stops. The FE110 was used at f2. They are all straight from Phocus no PP was done.

 

[blowupster]

Thanks for pictures at 400 asa. It seams more than acceptable. I've the FE 110mm too .. but the old Kodak 16Mpix witch works only with the ELD.
The conclusion is... I have to get this back. Will see at the begining of september, I should finish a sale.

Last year I discover the pleasur to take pictures with the FE 110mm 2.0 and the New T-max 400 at 800 asa. So it is possible to do it in colour and digitaly....

The discontinued 110mm 2.0 will become now the best portrait lens for digital (?).
I've a F110 for sale now (I keep the FE !) perhaps beter to stop the sale, buy the new CFV, show the result with this lens and then sale on B !

A f: 2.0 lens with a good 800 asa digital open new ways for photography.

 

[saad]

You are most welcome Blowupster, the FE110 is one of my favorites lenses.

regards
Saad

 

[bradleygibson]

Saad,

Thank you for the sample pictures!! This performance has exceeded my expectations!

The only problem is, my back has not been delivered yet, and now I must endure with even greater anticipaton!

Thank you again for sharing--the photos are lovely.

I recently picked up a 5th generation FE 110/2 as well--I look forward to putting this high-iso fast lens combination to work!

It looks like your shots were done using natural light (by the highlights in the subject's eyes). Do you remember the shutter speed you used? (Focal plane shutter vibrations were a major cause of my departure from the Contax system, and I am curious about how the Hasselblad system will fare).

Kind regards,
-Brad

 

[cs_foto]

The following are photos taken at iso 800 But the picture was over-exposed by 1.25 stops. The FE110 was used at f2. They are all straight from Phocus no PP was done.

looks good, when you say overexposed you mean you took the exposure down in post processing? or you mean you had enough light?

will be nice to see the same shot and 100% crops with the same light and shutter speed at iso800 but this time with the lens stopped down to 2.8 and f4 respectively...

thanks for your input

 

[saad]

Brad,

Thank you, I am delighted that you got a rough idea of how this CFV performs at high iso. You are right the lighting was natural.

The shutter speed was between 80 and 125. The 205TCC is ideal for sharp images with shutter speeds as long as 20 or 30 seconds, I have done it with CFV16 at iso 50 and was amazed. Of course, the mirror has to be up and the self-timer at 2s or now with the CFV-39 at 4s, then you have nothing to worry about. For shots of 1 second duration it is best to to set the 205FCC to "C" and use the the lens shutter, now that is absolutely vibration free.

cs_foto, the shot was over exposed because I changed the iso and forgot to reduce the shutter speed so, yes I reduced the exposure in Phocus, which didn't turn out that badly. The same shot at f4 will be noticeably sharper.

It is midnight here and I'll be turning in, when I wake up I will be glad to answer any questions. I just hope more of you gentlemen will go and buy yourselves one, so that we could really party.