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CFV Bundle Confusion over whatbs included
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blowupster
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Dreaming only ! Wake up.
However, the ixpress was new 4 years ago, cfv 1.8 years ago.
So...
However, the ixpress was new 4 years ago, cfv 1.8 years ago.
So...
"10% less expensive,"
This is Hasselblad. Less expensive is not in their dictionary.
: ... bigger screen,"
This could be possible.
" ... max iso goes from 400 to 1600,"
Possible, but I doubt it. All backs will increase ISO by one stop when the Phocus software arrives. So the current CFV will be 800.
"Battery included inside of the body."
Improbable, as it would require a major redesign of the back to accomplish.
" ... possibility to use unmodified 203Fe bodies."
Probably not possible. The modification is to the body to disable reading E film backs.
"Recording speed improved."
This will be a software/firmware improvement, and will apply to all Hasselblad digital backs.
"More pictures without loading battery"
Fixing a problem that doesn't exist. You can also opt for a larger battery if you want to go longer.
"More Pixels"
Something I personally wouldn't want. The 9X9 micro pixels is part of why this back works so well. If more pixels meant a larger sensor, then I would agree.
This is Hasselblad. Less expensive is not in their dictionary.
: ... bigger screen,"
This could be possible.
" ... max iso goes from 400 to 1600,"
Possible, but I doubt it. All backs will increase ISO by one stop when the Phocus software arrives. So the current CFV will be 800.
"Battery included inside of the body."
Improbable, as it would require a major redesign of the back to accomplish.
" ... possibility to use unmodified 203Fe bodies."
Probably not possible. The modification is to the body to disable reading E film backs.
"Recording speed improved."
This will be a software/firmware improvement, and will apply to all Hasselblad digital backs.
"More pictures without loading battery"
Fixing a problem that doesn't exist. You can also opt for a larger battery if you want to go longer.
"More Pixels"
Something I personally wouldn't want. The 9X9 micro pixels is part of why this back works so well. If more pixels meant a larger sensor, then I would agree.
wbulte
Active Member
Hi Marc,
Recording speed is very much a function of the hardware as well. So existing backs suddenly writing to the memory cards much faster is not likely. Unless of course the original firmware was relatively inefficient and has been improved a lot. But for ex&le UDMA memory cards really need the hardware support in the back, so an older back without the hardware support will not magically achieve the top speeds the UDMA card can offer by just a firmware upgrade.
Wilko
Recording speed is very much a function of the hardware as well. So existing backs suddenly writing to the memory cards much faster is not likely. Unless of course the original firmware was relatively inefficient and has been improved a lot. But for ex&le UDMA memory cards really need the hardware support in the back, so an older back without the hardware support will not magically achieve the top speeds the UDMA card can offer by just a firmware upgrade.
Wilko
blowupster
Member
Years ago, I used to work with 2 A-70 back. Not so big in fact.
Good quality at 1250 asa in few years seams not impossible to me.
What cann we have now for the CFV value, in Leaf production ?
Good quality at 1250 asa in few years seams not impossible to me.
What cann we have now for the CFV value, in Leaf production ?
Wilko, couldn't transfer and shooting speeds can be increased through the use of reformulation of loss-less compression RAW file formats ? I think that's one thing that Leaf did to increase the capture speed of the all the Aptus backs now designated with a "s" ... they also changed the firewire 400 port to 800 for tethered work which is a hardware change.
Another firmware/software correction could be an upgrade to accept faster writing CF cards as they become available.
Isidor, RE: What can we have now for the CFV value, in Leaf production ?"
One thing you can have is returning to the use of unreliable sync. cords from the lens to the Leaf back, which BTW was another BIG difference between the Kodak back and the CFV ... one other thing you'd get with a Leaf back would be the loss of using any 200 series camera : -)
Another firmware/software correction could be an upgrade to accept faster writing CF cards as they become available.
Isidor, RE: What can we have now for the CFV value, in Leaf production ?"
One thing you can have is returning to the use of unreliable sync. cords from the lens to the Leaf back, which BTW was another BIG difference between the Kodak back and the CFV ... one other thing you'd get with a Leaf back would be the loss of using any 200 series camera : -)
wbulte
Active Member
Hi Marc,
If the firmware was changed to produced a lossless-compressed RAW file that smaller file could indeed be written faster to the card. All other things being equal etc. It does assume the CPU in the card has enough horsepower to quickly enough compress the image. If the compression takes longer than just writing an uncompressed RAW file, well... This approach would be a pure firmware solution, no hardware changes required.
One can also include compression hardware in the back, that offloads the CPU from this task. Obviously that would need a hardware change. So you cannot do that on an existing back (assuming there isn't an unused piece of compression hardware in that back, which I think is unlikely).
Faster writing cards would not (always) help the older backs, as some of the speed increases require hardware adaptations to achieve the higher speed. Essentially the same thing we saw in PC hardware, where IDE disks went from PIO to DMA to UDMA etc. Most of these steps needed new silicon.
Wilko
If the firmware was changed to produced a lossless-compressed RAW file that smaller file could indeed be written faster to the card. All other things being equal etc. It does assume the CPU in the card has enough horsepower to quickly enough compress the image. If the compression takes longer than just writing an uncompressed RAW file, well... This approach would be a pure firmware solution, no hardware changes required.
One can also include compression hardware in the back, that offloads the CPU from this task. Obviously that would need a hardware change. So you cannot do that on an existing back (assuming there isn't an unused piece of compression hardware in that back, which I think is unlikely).
Faster writing cards would not (always) help the older backs, as some of the speed increases require hardware adaptations to achieve the higher speed. Essentially the same thing we saw in PC hardware, where IDE disks went from PIO to DMA to UDMA etc. Most of these steps needed new silicon.
Wilko
Thanks Wilko.
I think the only thing I would be interested in for a CFV upgrade would be an increase in sensor size while remaining square. I'd prefer the increase to not require smaller photosites, just more of them over a bigger area. But this improvement may prove to be too costly for those most interested in taking their V system gear into the digital age.
Write speed hasn't seemed to be an issue for anything I've used the 503CWD for. I shot hundreds of wedding images in one day and neither the write speed nor the battery was at issue. IMO, they are non-issues and are not a reason to "wait" for something better.
I wish they'd offer that 40 IF promotion here in the US. I'd jump on it like a bird on a June bug : -) Then sell one of my pristine 503CWs and current 40 CFE.
Fun note:
I'm off to Miami soon, and the camera I'm taking is the "Yellow Bird: 501CM, 65, 150 and
a Leica MP3 LHSA & 50 ... and a bag of FILM ... NO digital. None. NADA. Zero.
I'm so sick of digital and all the angst, BS and monkeying around with it that I could scream.
I think the only thing I would be interested in for a CFV upgrade would be an increase in sensor size while remaining square. I'd prefer the increase to not require smaller photosites, just more of them over a bigger area. But this improvement may prove to be too costly for those most interested in taking their V system gear into the digital age.
Write speed hasn't seemed to be an issue for anything I've used the 503CWD for. I shot hundreds of wedding images in one day and neither the write speed nor the battery was at issue. IMO, they are non-issues and are not a reason to "wait" for something better.
I wish they'd offer that 40 IF promotion here in the US. I'd jump on it like a bird on a June bug : -) Then sell one of my pristine 503CWs and current 40 CFE.
Fun note:
I'm off to Miami soon, and the camera I'm taking is the "Yellow Bird: 501CM, 65, 150 and
a Leica MP3 LHSA & 50 ... and a bag of FILM ... NO digital. None. NADA. Zero.
I'm so sick of digital and all the angst, BS and monkeying around with it that I could scream.
I will enjoy Gilbert ... in fact I changed my mind already ... it will be an all Hasselblad vacation ... I'll even leave the Leica home because it'll be to tempting for me to be lazy.
I have not had much time to play with the SWC this year ... so it's also going on Holiday.
Here is the select kit, and a bunch of film I've not tried yet ... plus some old friends.
I have not had much time to play with the SWC this year ... so it's also going on Holiday.
Here is the select kit, and a bunch of film I've not tried yet ... plus some old friends.
wbulte
Active Member
@Marc,
Interesting array of film you are taking to Florida.
I like the Efke50, basically grainless. I also shot Efke25, which is just as nice. Just be careful, only load in subdued light. I had light literally "pushing through" the paper. The black text was faintly superimposed on the images. Plus the less-than-tight winding of the film/paper backing allowed for stray light on the sides of the film. All of this could be a unclean production batch. But even with these caveats it can produce very sharp images. I once shot some portraits, the 60x60cm inkjet prints were scaringly sharp.
Fortepan I have given up on: that stuff curls like crazy, which makes it a nightmare to scan and store. And it seems to suffer from "pin pricks" where the emulsion layer is gone??? I am burning my remaining stock on test shots, testing film backs and that kind of stuff.
Fomapan, that is OK. I like it a lot more than Fortepan.
Delta3200... yeah... grain the size of bricks, beautiful for industrial subjects etc. Not good for airport X-ray scanners! Talk to the TSA for hand inspection, they have always done that politely and professionally for yours truly.
Fuji NPS: never tried that. Did use NPC160 in UT and AZ for landscape stuff. I think I like Portra 160NC better. Especially scanning Portra appears to be easier for me.
What is that Bergger (??) stuff?
Last question (darn... am I curious..) what exactly is that lightmeter?
Wilko
Interesting array of film you are taking to Florida.
I like the Efke50, basically grainless. I also shot Efke25, which is just as nice. Just be careful, only load in subdued light. I had light literally "pushing through" the paper. The black text was faintly superimposed on the images. Plus the less-than-tight winding of the film/paper backing allowed for stray light on the sides of the film. All of this could be a unclean production batch. But even with these caveats it can produce very sharp images. I once shot some portraits, the 60x60cm inkjet prints were scaringly sharp.
Fortepan I have given up on: that stuff curls like crazy, which makes it a nightmare to scan and store. And it seems to suffer from "pin pricks" where the emulsion layer is gone??? I am burning my remaining stock on test shots, testing film backs and that kind of stuff.
Fomapan, that is OK. I like it a lot more than Fortepan.
Delta3200... yeah... grain the size of bricks, beautiful for industrial subjects etc. Not good for airport X-ray scanners! Talk to the TSA for hand inspection, they have always done that politely and professionally for yours truly.
Fuji NPS: never tried that. Did use NPC160 in UT and AZ for landscape stuff. I think I like Portra 160NC better. Especially scanning Portra appears to be easier for me.
What is that Bergger (??) stuff?
Last question (darn... am I curious..) what exactly is that lightmeter?
Wilko
Wilko, Bergger is ISO 200 B&W that's supposedly very much like Kodak Super XX, and excellent for scanning. This and Efke 50, are the silver rich B&W films I am most interested in exploring. I will also take some 320 Tri-X Pro also, which is still one of my favorites.
Fuji NPS is much like Kodak Portra NC being a lower contrast film and excellent for skin tones ( which I hope to see a lot of on South Beach : -) NPS is very good at recording the over the top colors in that area. I rate it at ISO 320. I use this for weddings a lot.
I tend to expose Ilford Delta 3200 @ ISO 1600 for finer grain. If I shoot this, I will process it myself this winter along with the other B&Ws.
The little meter is a Gossen Scout 3 ... which being smaller than a pack of cigarettes and very light in weight, fits in a shirt pocket for walking about without a camera bag. Just a camera and little meter.
Terry, we stay in South Beach either at the Tides, National or some other joint my wife insists on for R&R at the cost of a nice lens ... but she's the boss when it comes to travel.
Fuji NPS is much like Kodak Portra NC being a lower contrast film and excellent for skin tones ( which I hope to see a lot of on South Beach : -) NPS is very good at recording the over the top colors in that area. I rate it at ISO 320. I use this for weddings a lot.
I tend to expose Ilford Delta 3200 @ ISO 1600 for finer grain. If I shoot this, I will process it myself this winter along with the other B&Ws.
The little meter is a Gossen Scout 3 ... which being smaller than a pack of cigarettes and very light in weight, fits in a shirt pocket for walking about without a camera bag. Just a camera and little meter.
Terry, we stay in South Beach either at the Tides, National or some other joint my wife insists on for R&R at the cost of a nice lens ... but she's the boss when it comes to travel.
Marc
I returned from South West Ireland last summer with more rolls unexposed than not, partly because I had a dslr along too-the instant review is hard to give up. I just scanned and printed my film shots (Mamiya7 and provia 100) and they are hard to give up too. Have fun with the films.
Nik
I returned from South West Ireland last summer with more rolls unexposed than not, partly because I had a dslr along too-the instant review is hard to give up. I just scanned and printed my film shots (Mamiya7 and provia 100) and they are hard to give up too. Have fun with the films.
Nik