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What's up on february first 2010 at 18:00 ?

Paul

" Live video adapter " has got nothing to do with VIDEO . I do know that .
In my previous posts , I was just using the kapturegroup terms .
So it is not really a nice try . But , what does it mean ? ? ?

Looking at the kapture group pages , again and again I can not understand , what " live video adapter " stands for .
Can anyone please explain in detail ? ? ?

Jürgen
 
Live Video is usually referencing a "live" real time image on a computer screen when tethered to a computer... it actually is a live video feed, so the term Live Video is correct. Some more recent backs come that way already, (like my H3D-II), but other backs don't ... so Kapture Group sells the stuff to make it happen.

This is helpful with a view camera for obvious reasons of checking critical focus ... or it helps with composition where you can move stuff in a still life until satisfied.

Live view usually references a direct feed to the LCD on the back of a camera ... like some Canon and Nikons provide.

If Hasselblad introduces Live View" in their H4D, I believe it'll be another first for MFD.

-Marc
 
fotografz said:
Live Video is usually referencing a "live" real time image on a computer screen when tethered to a computer... it actually is a live video feed, so the term Live Video is correct. Some more recent backs come that way already, (like my H3D-II), but other backs don't ... so Kapture Group sells the stuff to make it happen.

This is helpful with a view camera for obvious reasons of checking critical focus ... or it helps with composition where you can move stuff in a still life until satisfied.

Live view usually references a direct feed to the LCD on the back of a camera ... like some Canon and Nikons provide.

If Hasselblad introduces Live View" in their H4D, I believe it'll be another first for MFD.

-Marc
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Marc

Thank you very much for your answer .
Precise and clear as always . Good to have you with the forum .

Now , as the " live clouds " have vanished , I would like to repeat my thoughts , what the 1st of February will bring us into the HASSELBLAD world .
Live view for the H-SYSTEM , with the option to have that implemented for the V-SYSTEM and CFV-BACKS at a later time .

Still three weeks to go , till we know .

Jürgen
 
jotloob said:
Marc

Thank you very much for your answer .
Precise and clear as always . Good to have you with the forum .

Now , as the " live clouds " have vanished , I would like to repeat my thoughts , what the 1st of February will bring us into the HASSELBLAD world .
Live view for the H-SYSTEM , with the option to have that implemented for the V-SYSTEM and CFV-BACKS at a later time .

Still three weeks to go , till we know .

Jürgen
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If they do include Live View on the H4D LCD, (which, BTW has doubled in resolution over the LCD in the H3D-II), in concert with X zooming ability, it will be of enormous value to many shooters. Being able to zoom-in and check focus and adjust as needed, or to scroll and check DOF on macro work or when using the HTS/1.5 would be nice indeed. It's a feature I used on Canon cameras frequently ... including framing overhead shots.

-Marc
 
What about a digital MF Hasselblad without mirror but with electronic viewfinder instead. A substantially enlarged Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1. Quite compact, no mirror slap.

Ulrik
 
Gazing into a crystal ball

I was sitting down with my wife who knows little about photography other than my many rantings. My wife is a very good lateral thinker.

The new model thing (either H or V series) is nothing to even think about and if the announcement by Hasselblad is just that, then their markets are up there with the investment bankers who perpetrated the sub prime crime.

Leica has made a lot of noise with the S2 and Hasselblad had no answer other than to drop prices. This would never had happened in the silver halide glory days. Hasselblad stepped into the same space as the likes of Intel when they did this. The brand has suffered.

So what do a bunch of smart guys do in this situation? Nuke Leica. Hasselblad is not big enough to muscle it with the likes of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. Leica is the same.

How do you do that? Remember the Imacon story and the Leica R series digital back.

The simplest option is for Hasselblad and Kodak to merge in one or another (either equity or supply chain). Each company will benefit in many ways with either option. Denying Leica access to the best sensors will be the dividend to Hasselblad.

Watch this space!!!!!

Hasselblad's only natural competitor from a DNA perspective is Leica. The Medium Format landscape is getting smaller by the month.

Just some pie in the sky thinking and over to you guys for some brain storming.

The consumer will hopefully be the winner......
 
I'm not sure the S2 will be sale sufisant, but help marketing.

The major sales are the classical M8 and M9 and of course lenses.

The H+ is allready the best or some think alike. A H++ will not get a major marketing improvment.
Perhaps a new concept with H lens or a 500D for V line should be welcome as any old users of Hasselblad wait on it first.
BTW in the MF the problem is not focussing but poor DOF. Autofocus is not my priority if the sceen is hight quality.

To improve quality picture to my point of view is not to add pixels to my 39Mpix, but to have biger pixels to cover the 56x56 and higher iso. On this way I may close my lenses to 11 or 45 for natural pictures.
This is the real future for MF as it was years ago.
A MF digital rangfinder at the level of the S2 for pixels and sensor size (with X-pan lenses) could be a earthbreak in photography world too..
 
blowupster said:
I'm not sure the S2 will be sale sufisant, but help marketing.

The major sales are the classical M8 and M9 and of course lenses.
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Yep, so the way to get sales away from Leica would be to
(re-) establish relationship with Zeiss (guess the new CEO
has still good contacts)
and come out with a digital 35mm rangefinder camera with FF sensor
in the price range below 3000 Euro that would be capable to mount
the Zeiss ZM lenses (those for the analogue Zeiss Ikon camera).
Man, that is wishful thinking but would be great for those that don't
like to invest in Leica (like myself).

Regards,
Ralf
 
ziggyfromoz said:
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The new model thing (either H or V series) is nothing to even think about and if the announcement by Hasselblad is just that, then their markets are up there with the investment bankers who perpetrated the sub prime crime.

Leica has made a lot of noise with the S2 and Hasselblad had no answer other than to drop prices. This would never had happened in the silver halide glory days. Hasselblad stepped into the same space as the likes of Intel when they did this. The brand has suffered.

So what do a bunch of smart guys do in this situation? Nuke Leica. Hasselblad is not big enough to muscle it with the likes of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. Leica is the same.

How do you do that? Remember the Imacon story and the Leica R series digital back.

The simplest option is for Hasselblad and Kodak to merge in one or another (either equity or supply chain). Each company will benefit in many ways with either option. Denying Leica access to the best sensors will be the dividend to Hasselblad.


Hasselblad's only natural competitor from a DNA perspective is Leica. The Medium Format landscape is getting smaller by the month.
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A few thoughts:

Not sure Hasselblad dropped prices because of Leica. Their market competitor is Nikon/Canon on the low MFD end, and Phase One on the higher end. Price reductions started well before anyone knew about the S2.

We have to remember that Hasselblad lowered prices BUT eliminated the trade-in, upgrade path which was suppose to offset the price reductions at the bottom line. Now the upgrade path has been re-established ... if anything, that could be in reaction to both the S2 and the new offerings from Phase One ... especially their new "Pixel Binning" option for higher ISO performance that makes the newer cameras more versatile.

What will sell the S2 (if at all) are the lenses ... dual shutter versions made by a premiere optics company. Phase One now offers a similar optics choice from Schneider. Jury is still out on whether the lenses are as superior as Leica said they would be.

Kodak and Hasselblad getting married is unlikely. It'd be more likely IF there wasn't Dalsa ... who makes the 60 meg sensor for Phase One and Hasselblad. However, Kodak has "been there done that" when they had controlling interests in Leaf. So, in a pinch, Leica could always turn to Dalsa for sensors. The sensor isn't like the relationship with Imacon, who did the electronics for the DMR that used a Kodak sensor.

-Marc
 
ulrik said:
What about a digital MF Hasselblad without mirror but with electronic viewfinder instead. A substantially enlarged Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1. Quite compact, no mirror slap.

Ulrik
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Ulrik

Hard to believe , that your dream will come true .
A mirrorless camerabody will only be an advantage , if the body would be shorter and lighter . Not knowing , if it would work with a removeable DBACK .
But if so , the focal flange length of the lenses will not fit any more . It is hard to believe for me , that HASSELBLAD would investigate any cent into a new system , like a micro MF system with new techique in the body and new lenses .
BTW , I own a LUMIX G1 and I love that camera . Image quality is very good .
But that has got nothing to do with MF digital .

Jürgen
 
fotografz said:
A few thoughts:

What will sell the S2 (if at all) are the lenses ... dual shutter versions made by a premiere optics company. Phase One now offers a similar optics choice from Schneider. Jury is still out on whether the lenses are as superior as Leica said they would be.
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Remains the question if there is any sense in investing in a complete range of lenses that only fit an S2, primarily if you already have a more or less complete H-series kit. Even if the S2 lenses are better, do they warrant the expense? Will your customers see the difference, and, more importantly, will it pay for itself?

I still cannot see S2 as a game changer relative to the H-series. And given Leica's less than stellar track record in digital cameras I for one would not want to be an early adopter. Not even if I was the Sultan of Brunei :)

Wilko
 
Nice to read about all these dreams and wishes.
I can only hope Hasselblad comes up with a good surprise for us.


Paul
 
Hasselblad marketing department is on acid these past few years as far as I'm concerned....i hope im proved wrong but i fear it will be much ado about nothing....if hasselblad wanna sell then they gotta come up with a 4,000 euro masterpiece 'something' thats a full package.
 
sperera said:
Hasselblad marketing department is on acid these past few years as far as I'm concerned....i hope im proved wrong but i fear it will be much ado about nothing....if hasselblad wanna sell then they gotta come up with a 4,000 euro masterpiece 'something' thats a full package.
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Yeah, since we seem to be smoking something that alters reality ... Nikon should sell me the D3X for 2,000 Euros, and Leica should sell me the M9 for 3,000. Euros.

-Marc
 
I still think that if there isn ONE thing Hasselblad could do that would excite it's base of long time users to open their wallets for a bit of NEW gear....it would be a reasonably priced, full frame square sensor digital back. I think there are quite a few V-system owners who would jump at the chance to own one.....I know I would.

Why bother developing completely new camera systems (like a digital Xpan) when they could get a quick win with a full frame square sensor back? Assuming of course, that a full frame square sensor can be sourced from Kodak, Dalsa or whomever....at a reasonable price.

Reasonable price being in the eye of the beholder, of course......but I think it would have to be in the neighborhood of $6k USD, which I suppose, means this will never happen.

Gary
 
wbulte said:
Remains the question if there is any sense in investing in a complete range of lenses that only fit an S2, primarily if you already have a more or less complete H-series kit. Even if the S2 lenses are better, do they warrant the expense? Will your customers see the difference, and, more importantly, will it pay for itself?

I still cannot see S2 as a game changer relative to the H-series. And given Leica's less than stellar track record in digital cameras I for one would not want to be an early adopter. Not even if I was the Sultan of Brunei :)

Wilko
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What other camera also take H lenses ... or Contax 645 lenses for that matter? Any fully integrated electronic lens system is going to be proprietary isn't it?

It remains to be seen what Leica does with the other lenses yet to come. They traditionally have been quite good at wide angle lenses so it'll be interesting to see if that carries over to the W/A S2 lenses. W/A is the real playing field when it comes to MFD optics.

Will the clients see the IQ difference? Between what and what? Between the S2 and H3D-II 39? Probably not much ... which is in Leica's favor actually if you are building a kit from scratch. The difference is the form factor with a smaller DSLR sized camera that offers a dual shutter ability ... where the H camera tops out at 1/800th shutter forcing you to stop down when you may not want to ... which is a BIG creative difference and the reason I dearly wish for a H camera with a focal plane shutter that will also allow use of the leaf shutter H lenses to 1/800th. The S2 is also fully weather sealed for location work.

Will it pay for itself? That depends on what work you do and the pay scale.

The S2 has it's charms ... price isn't one of them.

In the end it's just to expensive as a replacement for an existing MFD system. I had hopes it'd replace all the 35mm DSLR gear I use based on how I use 35mm digital. Not sure it could.

I shot about 170 images with the S2, 70 and 180 lenses ... and the images are beautiful. A unique signature, almost film like in tonal response and feel. At first I didn't know how to process the files and I wasn't thrilled ... but after a little time I got it down better.

-Marc
 
The countdown on the Hasselblad Website has some more information added now:

"Curiosity’s killing you, isn't it?

What if we were to tell you that our little surprise is something that can help you get famous?

What if we were to tell you that we can put your work in front of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, absolutely free of charge?

What if we were to tell you that you still have to wait until February 1st to find out the rest?"

So I am sceptical that it will be a hardware surprise.

Ulrik
 
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