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Time of improvement of the 1102 FTCCFE
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evanjoe610
Member
Paul,
My first 110mm in the 588 range has the silver lettering and metal band.
The second 110mm in the 694 range, has the white stenciled or silkscreen
lettering. Again both do not have the square baffle in the rear.
I guess none of these 2 lenses could be converted over due to the optical changes as described by Q.G. Also I assume that you don't have of the 110mm FE housing available for sale? I was thinking of buying one from you and have you rebuilt my 110mm in the 694 range, if possible.
My first 110mm in the 588 range has the silver lettering and metal band.
The second 110mm in the 694 range, has the white stenciled or silkscreen
lettering. Again both do not have the square baffle in the rear.
I guess none of these 2 lenses could be converted over due to the optical changes as described by Q.G. Also I assume that you don't have of the 110mm FE housing available for sale? I was thinking of buying one from you and have you rebuilt my 110mm in the 694 range, if possible.
evanjoe610
Member
Rick,
Based on you mentioned, the 150mm F2.8 in all of its incarnations, did not undergo any optical design changes as the 50mm and 110mm did.
In each of its re-design, was the lens reformulated for a performance issue or mainly from a perspective of saving money and of a weight reduction? Would you know these changes and when it occurred? How drastic was these changes and it change the "look" charactertistics of the lenses at each redesign?
Based on you mentioned, the 150mm F2.8 in all of its incarnations, did not undergo any optical design changes as the 50mm and 110mm did.
In each of its re-design, was the lens reformulated for a performance issue or mainly from a perspective of saving money and of a weight reduction? Would you know these changes and when it occurred? How drastic was these changes and it change the "look" charactertistics of the lenses at each redesign?
adaptersolutions
New Member
There are 5 generations of the Planar T* 2.0/110 lens, 3 in the F and 2 in the FE series. The Rollei Planar HFT 2.0/110 PQ has the same metal housing for he rear optical elements as the 5th generation of the Hasselblad Carl Zeiss Planar T* 2.0/110 FE, which some folks called it the "baffle". I own all 5 of these generations.
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polypal
Active Member
Evan,
The 110 you have with screen lettering should be suitable for a conversion.
I am sorry I do not have any parts for this job nor do I have a complete 110 barrel to make an FE lens.
Terry who contacted me about a 350F lens to convert to FE has more luck.
There is a damaged 350FE barrel with all the parts for a conversion.
With Christmas coming up I will think of a nice price for the kit.
F and FE lenses seem to be pretty confusing.
From what I know there are at least 4 or 5 different versions of the 110 lens.
The 110 you have with screen lettering should be suitable for a conversion.
I am sorry I do not have any parts for this job nor do I have a complete 110 barrel to make an FE lens.
Terry who contacted me about a 350F lens to convert to FE has more luck.
There is a damaged 350FE barrel with all the parts for a conversion.
With Christmas coming up I will think of a nice price for the kit.
F and FE lenses seem to be pretty confusing.
From what I know there are at least 4 or 5 different versions of the 110 lens.
semmelblad
Member
According to my observations there have been minor changes in the baffling of the 110 and 150 mm FE-lenses. In the above photo from Christian we can see baffling which protrudes about 7 mm into the lens body. I can see this also on my 150 FE 746xxx. I have seen another 150 mm FE lens where this baffle was about 2 cm long. This longer baffle is also present in my FE 110 714xxx. This seems to be a similar change as it happened with the change from CF to CFi/CFE lenses. A Hasselblad representative once told me that they had found out that building lenses without this baffle would reduce stray light better.
Ulrik
Ulrik
polypal
Active Member
After reading this thread again let me try to shed some light on the confusing matter of F and FE lenses.
The first version of the F lens is the one where the lettering is fitted on removable metal bands.
This lens is not suitable for a conversion to make it work with 200 series cameras.
I do not use the term FE here because there are also F lenses with contacts and electronics to suit 200 series cameras.
The second version is the one where the lettering is printed on the barrel. These lenses are suitable for conversion.
Some have already parts like wiring inside.
The third F lens is fitted with electronics and contacts for the 200 cameras.
It also has the twin blue striping on the barrel.
Finally there is the FE lens that is like the third version but has FE printed on the barrel.
Some of the FE lenses like the 50 and the 110 were altered later and had different lens elements fitted as well as a baffle to reduce stray light.
The 150 seems to have gotten a different baffle as well later.
I do not pretend this is all there is to the F and FE subject.
Please correct me if I wrong.
This information comes from owning and using F and FE lenses as well as from breaking some lens barrels I bought for spares.
The first version of the F lens is the one where the lettering is fitted on removable metal bands.
This lens is not suitable for a conversion to make it work with 200 series cameras.
I do not use the term FE here because there are also F lenses with contacts and electronics to suit 200 series cameras.
The second version is the one where the lettering is printed on the barrel. These lenses are suitable for conversion.
Some have already parts like wiring inside.
The third F lens is fitted with electronics and contacts for the 200 cameras.
It also has the twin blue striping on the barrel.
Finally there is the FE lens that is like the third version but has FE printed on the barrel.
Some of the FE lenses like the 50 and the 110 were altered later and had different lens elements fitted as well as a baffle to reduce stray light.
The 150 seems to have gotten a different baffle as well later.
I do not pretend this is all there is to the F and FE subject.
Please correct me if I wrong.
This information comes from owning and using F and FE lenses as well as from breaking some lens barrels I bought for spares.
The third F lens is fitted with electronics and contacts for the 200 cameras. It also has the twin blue striping on the barrel.
Finally there is the FE lens that is like the third version but has FE printed on the barrel. >
Paul:
What is different between these lenses other than the letter E?
Regards:
Gilbert
Finally there is the FE lens that is like the third version but has FE printed on the barrel. >
Paul:
What is different between these lenses other than the letter E?
Regards:
Gilbert
polypal
Active Member
Hi Gilbert,
As far as know the only difference is the additional "E".
All lens elements are identical.
Only the uprated later 50FE and 110FE lenses have different glass elements fitted.
The fact that there are F lenses with and without electronics is confusing.
That may have been the reason to add the "E" as in FE later.
Kindest reagrds,
Paul
As far as know the only difference is the additional "E".
All lens elements are identical.
Only the uprated later 50FE and 110FE lenses have different glass elements fitted.
The fact that there are F lenses with and without electronics is confusing.
That may have been the reason to add the "E" as in FE later.
Kindest reagrds,
Paul
The 150 underwent a number of small evolutionary changes but no change in optical design that I'm aware of. I'd be speculating as to the reason for the changes. Usually it is to tweak the performance a bit but in other cases it may be to correct other issues like economics or weight (the 50F is a very heavy lens!). As I mentioned the changes in the 50 and 110 occurred about 1999. I'd have to try to look up the changes in optical formula for the 50FE but the new version no longer had a rotating front ring, weighed 240g less and the minimum focus changed from 30cm in the old version to 42cm in the post 1999 version. The major change in the 110 was that the two rear elements became a cemented pair and the rear baffle modified. No experience in comparing the older and newer version of the 50FE. In my own evaluations I couldn't see any appreciable difference in performance between the old a new versions of the 110.
evanjoe610
Member
Rick, Paul, and Ulrik,
Thanks for the very informative data regarding the minor changes in the 50mm - 110mm - 150mm of the F to FE optics.
I was hoping to convert over my older F lenses to FE to us eon my 205TCC. Guess I have to stick with just my 80mmFE and 60-120mmFE.
With the older F and CF lenses, I will use Stop-Down Metering along with my hand held meter.
Has anyone here ever done any conclusive testing in comparsion of the F/FE over their CF/CFi/CFE counterparts?
A comparsion in optical quality between the following lenses:
50mmF/FE to the 50mmCF/CFi FLE
150mmF/FE to the 150mmCF/CFi
I would be curious to see if the F/Fe were better lenses then their leaf shutter counterparts.
Thanks for the very informative data regarding the minor changes in the 50mm - 110mm - 150mm of the F to FE optics.
I was hoping to convert over my older F lenses to FE to us eon my 205TCC. Guess I have to stick with just my 80mmFE and 60-120mmFE.
With the older F and CF lenses, I will use Stop-Down Metering along with my hand held meter.
Has anyone here ever done any conclusive testing in comparsion of the F/FE over their CF/CFi/CFE counterparts?
A comparsion in optical quality between the following lenses:
50mmF/FE to the 50mmCF/CFi FLE
150mmF/FE to the 150mmCF/CFi
I would be curious to see if the F/Fe were better lenses then their leaf shutter counterparts.
Just to clarify this statement:
"The first version of the F lens is the one where the lettering is
fitted on removable metal bands.
This lens is not suitable for a conversion to make it work with 200
series cameras."
These lenses DO work with the 200 series cameras, but they don't have the electronics in them to pass the aperture information to the metering system in the body, but they can be used in stop down metering mode...or...if you use a consistent aperture, you can offset the meter in the 20x body so you don't have to stop down meter.
This has been discussed in previous posts, and works quite well, at least for me. I can meter full open (and select any aperture I want, up to I believe 5 stops from full), and the camera picks the shutter speed. The only caveat is using a consistent aperture, or you have to reset your offset.
Regards,
Austin
"The first version of the F lens is the one where the lettering is
fitted on removable metal bands.
This lens is not suitable for a conversion to make it work with 200
series cameras."
These lenses DO work with the 200 series cameras, but they don't have the electronics in them to pass the aperture information to the metering system in the body, but they can be used in stop down metering mode...or...if you use a consistent aperture, you can offset the meter in the 20x body so you don't have to stop down meter.
This has been discussed in previous posts, and works quite well, at least for me. I can meter full open (and select any aperture I want, up to I believe 5 stops from full), and the camera picks the shutter speed. The only caveat is using a consistent aperture, or you have to reset your offset.
Regards,
Austin
wbulte
Active Member
Hi Austin,
I think you have to read Paul's statement as follows "you cannot put the electronics in, hence you cannot use the lenses in their full-function / ease of use mode like Hasselblad & Zeiss intended".
I must say that your description reads to me as slightly inconvenient at best (I'm not a F-lens user, don't have the 200 series cameras). I do have as of last week a very nice 501C/M. Along with some stuff I don't want, like a very nice Proshade 6093, a CF150 etc. So some selling to do..
Wilko
I think you have to read Paul's statement as follows "you cannot put the electronics in, hence you cannot use the lenses in their full-function / ease of use mode like Hasselblad & Zeiss intended".
I must say that your description reads to me as slightly inconvenient at best (I'm not a F-lens user, don't have the 200 series cameras). I do have as of last week a very nice 501C/M. Along with some stuff I don't want, like a very nice Proshade 6093, a CF150 etc. So some selling to do..
Wilko
Hi Wilko,
I understand and agree. It could be read that, at least to me, like a conversion was possibly required to make the F lenses work with a 200 series camera, and it is not.
Using F lenses on my 205 was only slightly inconvenient at worst (IMO/IME), once I got used to it. It's really a personal choice, but my point is, there *is* a way to use the F lenses on a 200 series body without having to stop down manually to meter, providing you set the meter offset accordingly.
Regards,
Austin
I understand and agree. It could be read that, at least to me, like a conversion was possibly required to make the F lenses work with a 200 series camera, and it is not.
Using F lenses on my 205 was only slightly inconvenient at worst (IMO/IME), once I got used to it. It's really a personal choice, but my point is, there *is* a way to use the F lenses on a 200 series body without having to stop down manually to meter, providing you set the meter offset accordingly.
Regards,
Austin
Hi Rick,
You said:
">The last version of the 110mm was made about 1999 and can be >identified the square baffle at the rear. The only ones I've seen >are in the 885 and 886 serial number blocks. Not many made."
From one of my previous posts:
" My 110/2 FE is SN7511716. It has some "material" added to the four sides in the back of the lense. Did anyone post a picture of the "baffle"? I wouldn't call mine "a: baffle, but certainly it is four separate pieces of light baffling material..."
It appears I have a late model 110/2 with the square "baffle" that is out of the serial number range you cite.
Regards,
Austin
You said:
">The last version of the 110mm was made about 1999 and can be >identified the square baffle at the rear. The only ones I've seen >are in the 885 and 886 serial number blocks. Not many made."
From one of my previous posts:
" My 110/2 FE is SN7511716. It has some "material" added to the four sides in the back of the lense. Did anyone post a picture of the "baffle"? I wouldn't call mine "a: baffle, but certainly it is four separate pieces of light baffling material..."
It appears I have a late model 110/2 with the square "baffle" that is out of the serial number range you cite.
Regards,
Austin
Wilco:
Actually, what Austin described is very easy to do with a 200 series camera with just a thumb click or so, you can choose +/- 5 stops. So, is it is not any different than exposure compensation.
Austin:
There is a picture posted at the top of this thread.
Regards:
Gilbert
Actually, what Austin described is very easy to do with a 200 series camera with just a thumb click or so, you can choose +/- 5 stops. So, is it is not any different than exposure compensation.
Austin:
There is a picture posted at the top of this thread.
Regards:
Gilbert
