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I got my new 503cx
- Thread starter matt335
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"Your 903SWC looks superb. How old is that camera?"
It is, and it's timeless : -)
It's a tough thing to let go, but it needs a home where it will play a more central role and make more images than it has for me. It's led a far to p&ered life in the couple of years I've had it.
BTW, anyone with a 180/4 CFE that doesn't need the "E" part, I'll trade a mint 180/4 CFi plus cash ... I want the "E" part to use with a CF adapter on a H camera & on my 203FE.
It is, and it's timeless : -)
It's a tough thing to let go, but it needs a home where it will play a more central role and make more images than it has for me. It's led a far to p&ered life in the couple of years I've had it.
BTW, anyone with a 180/4 CFE that doesn't need the "E" part, I'll trade a mint 180/4 CFi plus cash ... I want the "E" part to use with a CF adapter on a H camera & on my 203FE.
frozen_time
Member
Hi Matt,
it should be written on the lens barrel. On my 80 planar it reads CFE - the latest design.
Greetings Andy
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it should be written on the lens barrel. On my 80 planar it reads CFE - the latest design.
Greetings Andy
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frozen_time
Member
Matt,
the CFi is an improved version of the original CF. The improvements are a more durable spring in the shutter, better anti-reflective coating inside the lens, a better sync cable port on the lens and a different design of the the rings (aperture, shutter and focus). Is 'ring' the correct term? I am not native english.... The CFE is basically a CFi + electronic contacts for the 200 series of Hasselblads.
Andy
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the CFi is an improved version of the original CF. The improvements are a more durable spring in the shutter, better anti-reflective coating inside the lens, a better sync cable port on the lens and a different design of the the rings (aperture, shutter and focus). Is 'ring' the correct term? I am not native english.... The CFE is basically a CFi + electronic contacts for the 200 series of Hasselblads.
Andy
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polypal
Active Member
Andreas,
May I add that the helicoid or Schnecke as the Germans call it was also improved.
New rings that give a better grip and the redesigned helicoid make these lenses easier to operate.
I do not think the optical improvements were anything to loose some sleep about.
To give an idea of lens development for the 500 series cameras:
1956-1982 C lenses up till about 1975 in silver look.
from 1975 till 1982 lens barrels are black.
Starting in 1970/1 lenses receive new T* multi coating.
Most black lenses have multicoating.
1982- 1998 CF lenses. They have a different shutter the lensbarrels are redesigned. To make them suitable
for cameras from the 2000 and the later 200 series the F mode is also new.
These cameras have a focal plane shutter.
With CF lenses the choice is focal plane or leaf shutter.
Many optical designs from the C series are used unchanged for the
CF series i.e. the 50 mm, 100 mm, 250 mm.
In 1998 new improvements are, better anti refection coating, redesigned helicoid, better flash connector, new grip rings.
The 1998 improvements also give a few lenses databus contacts to transmit lensdata to 200 series cameras.
There are three CFE lenses to start with the 40 FLE CFE, the 80 CFE and the 350 CFE SA.
Later the 120 Makro-Planar and the 180 Sonnar are also fitted with databus contacts.
Other lenses also get the new look and improvements.
They do not have databus so they are called CFi.
Depending on their age the 120 Makro-Planar and the 180 Sonnar are CF, CFi or CFE lenses.
Late nineties Carl Zeiss made an economy series of lenses that do not have the F mode and are of different optical design as well.
These CB lenses were available as 60 distagon, 80 Planar, 120 Makro-Planar and 160 Tessar
This economy range was discontinued in 2003.
May I add that the helicoid or Schnecke as the Germans call it was also improved.
New rings that give a better grip and the redesigned helicoid make these lenses easier to operate.
I do not think the optical improvements were anything to loose some sleep about.
To give an idea of lens development for the 500 series cameras:
1956-1982 C lenses up till about 1975 in silver look.
from 1975 till 1982 lens barrels are black.
Starting in 1970/1 lenses receive new T* multi coating.
Most black lenses have multicoating.
1982- 1998 CF lenses. They have a different shutter the lensbarrels are redesigned. To make them suitable
for cameras from the 2000 and the later 200 series the F mode is also new.
These cameras have a focal plane shutter.
With CF lenses the choice is focal plane or leaf shutter.
Many optical designs from the C series are used unchanged for the
CF series i.e. the 50 mm, 100 mm, 250 mm.
In 1998 new improvements are, better anti refection coating, redesigned helicoid, better flash connector, new grip rings.
The 1998 improvements also give a few lenses databus contacts to transmit lensdata to 200 series cameras.
There are three CFE lenses to start with the 40 FLE CFE, the 80 CFE and the 350 CFE SA.
Later the 120 Makro-Planar and the 180 Sonnar are also fitted with databus contacts.
Other lenses also get the new look and improvements.
They do not have databus so they are called CFi.
Depending on their age the 120 Makro-Planar and the 180 Sonnar are CF, CFi or CFE lenses.
Late nineties Carl Zeiss made an economy series of lenses that do not have the F mode and are of different optical design as well.
These CB lenses were available as 60 distagon, 80 Planar, 120 Makro-Planar and 160 Tessar
This economy range was discontinued in 2003.
frozen_time
Member
Thanks Paul for the additions you made - very interesting.
I did buy another lens today - its a CF 3.5/100 Planar - seems to be an older one. It does have a lens shade bayonet made out of metal instead of plastic and sports a Prontor writing on the barrel.
Andy
I did buy another lens today - its a CF 3.5/100 Planar - seems to be an older one. It does have a lens shade bayonet made out of metal instead of plastic and sports a Prontor writing on the barrel.
Andy
polypal
Active Member
Andreas,
The 100/3.5 CF is a great lens.
Ultra low distortion and high resolution.
I am sure this will be a lens you will love.
It is now available as a CFi but bears a strong resemblance to the original C lens.
Glass elements from the current CFi will fit the first C model.
The 100/3.5 CF is a great lens.
Ultra low distortion and high resolution.
I am sure this will be a lens you will love.
It is now available as a CFi but bears a strong resemblance to the original C lens.
Glass elements from the current CFi will fit the first C model.
michaelhcothran
Member
Here's an image from my own "used" CF 100/3.5. It would be one of the last lenses to leave my camera bag, if push came to shove. Hope this image "translates" ok when posted! Not my usual type of shooting, but when you live in Music City (Nashville), you take what you can get.
blowupster
Member
Perhaps I need to add that with the CF evolution,
the M flash disapears
the self-timer too
CF lenses have same glasses but the lens body is bigger
the M flash disapears
the self-timer too
CF lenses have same glasses but the lens body is bigger
polypal
Active Member
I am sure the 100 mm and the 250 C and CF have the same glass elements.
Same goes for the 50 mm non FLE wide angle.
Many older C lenses with a damaged front or rear element can be saved with brand new glas from CZ.
The 40 mm, 80 mm, 120 mm, and 150 all use different glass.
The 350 and the 500 CF were completely redesigned and are different too.
That leaves the 30 mm and the 135 mm.
I do not know whether glass from a CF can be used for a C series 30 mm or 135 mm lens.
New project for next year is to fit glass and mountings from a CF into a new 120CB barrel and add databus to that lens.
It will become the first 120 CBE lens ever produced.
Same goes for the 50 mm non FLE wide angle.
Many older C lenses with a damaged front or rear element can be saved with brand new glas from CZ.
The 40 mm, 80 mm, 120 mm, and 150 all use different glass.
The 350 and the 500 CF were completely redesigned and are different too.
That leaves the 30 mm and the 135 mm.
I do not know whether glass from a CF can be used for a C series 30 mm or 135 mm lens.
New project for next year is to fit glass and mountings from a CF into a new 120CB barrel and add databus to that lens.
It will become the first 120 CBE lens ever produced.
blowupster
Member
120CBE funny !
More interesting: a CFE 100mm 3.5 !
Best standard lens in CFE mode.
More interesting: a CFE 100mm 3.5 !
Best standard lens in CFE mode.
blowupster
Member
...and the CFE 60mm (!) I have this lense since 20 years, and 80% of my pictures were done with it. I just bought the 50mm FE. ... mutch heavier indeed. Hard to take it when skiing !
blowupster
Member
Hasselblad with the old 80mm C (or the swc) with short ski !
