hasselblad CFV

[rmueller]

But I do not like the H-System and I will never do .
I don't want to be drawn by HASSELBLAD into their H-SYSTEM boat and buy a lot of new lenses . I want to use my V-SYSTEM lenses .
Here is the disadvantage of the closed HASSELBLAD System .
I would go for that H3DII-31 back , but not for the camera . But that back would not fit the V-SYSTEM , although it would be possible , technically , to do so .
Jürgen

Hi Jürgen,

Just curious, what is it exactly that you don't like ?

Lack of WLF, non-square format ???

I kind of had the same opinion a year ago or so but then decided to
take the plunge and buy into the H System at photokina last year.
That was a wise decision IMO but other people might think different
of course.

I'm not sure you had the opportunity to take the H3DII out for a serious
shoot, what I can offer you is spend a day with me in the Karlsruhe harbour, lots of subjects for shooting there
(for both wide angle, macro and tele) and give it a try.
Bring your favorite Zeiss lenses and I promise you'll enjoy the H3DII-31.
The CF Adapter makes working with the Zeiss glas
almost like if they were made for the H system.

Then, Phocus has become fairly stable by now and the upcoming 1.2
version will add some more features known from ACR, i have seen a
RC and look forward to using it.

Anyway, just let me know and we'll arrange something.

Best Regards,
Ralf

P.S.: Although I'm using the H3DII quite frequently now, the Print Washer i bought from you
is still in use and it remains fun (and so far, I'm faster in analogue from shutterrelease-to-print)
to work in the (wet) dark room.

 

[Paul Claesson HUSA]

Hasselblad H are made in Japan, and Hasselblad V production...

The H camera has since it's inception in 2002 been built in Goteborg, Sweden. Fuji has absolutely no involvement with the body, software or firmware.

The viewfinder is built by Fuji as it is an optical part as are HC/HCD lenses with the exception of the electro-mechnical shutter which is designed and manufactured in Goteborg.

The lenses are designed by our Hasselblad optical designer in Goteborg.

The Fuji GX645 is built by us in Goteborg, Sweden.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA

 

[cs_foto]

The H camera has since it's inception in 2002 been built in Goteborg, Sweden. Fuji has absolutely no involvement with the body, software or firmware.

The viewfinder is built by Fuji as it is an optical part as are HC/HCD lenses with the exception of the electro-mechnical shutter which is designed and manufactured in Goteborg.

The lenses are designed by our Hasselblad optical designer in Goteborg.

The Fuji GX645 is built by us in Goteborg, Sweden.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA

Thanks for the CLEAR and PRECISE Clarification.

 

[blowupster]

The H camera has since it's inception in 2002 been built in Goteborg, Sweden. (...)Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA

Thanks for clarification.
BTW I have nothing against the fact it was made in Japan at the begining. I said that there was nothing to show if nothing is build in Sweden. So if it is not the case, why not organize visite as custumers like to see hardware manufactures.

 

[fotografz]

The Hasselblad digital backs are not made in Japan either ... right?

I personally didn't like the Hy6 when I tested it. But I never was a Rollei man either. I do not like the Sinar backs much ... Clunky and awkward and poor industrial design IMHO. Very difficult user interface ... but not impossible.

Not sure why Dalsa sensors are being held up as the measure. I had a Leaf Aptus 75s which was a fine digital back, but no better than the Hasselbald or Phase one using a Kodak sensor. ... and their software is behind both C1 and Phocus.

However, I would not care who made the sensor if it were a 48 X 48 in a CFV shell.

 

[bensonga]

However, I would not care who made the sensor if it were a 48 X 48 in a CFV shell.

Amen!

Will we see it in our lifetime? Starting to feel like the search for the Holy Grail.

Gary B.
Alaska

 

[jotloob]

Hi Jürgen,
Just curious, what is it exactly that you don't like ?
Lack of WLF, non-square format ???

P.S.: Although I'm using the H3DII quite frequently now, the Print Washer i bought from you
is still in use and it remains fun (and so far, I'm faster in analogue from shutterrelease-to-print)
to work in the (wet) dark room.

Ralf

Sorry , that I did not recognize you earlier . But now , as you mention the print washers , I remember .

Then , thank you for your invitation to come along and have a try with your H3DII-31 .

You ask me strait questions and I will give you straight answers .
From the very first moment , the H1 came on the market , I did not like the design and its format (4,5x6) . Nothing has changed for me since .
You know , its like with cars . The one likes Mercedes and the other one does not . You can replace the brands . Or , YOU CAN CANON . I can not .
This shurely has got something to do with me and my emotions but does not make me suffer .

But there is still an other obstacle for me . I have all lenses for the V-SYSTEM cameras from 50-250 mm , for the 500 and also the 200 series cameras .
(C , CF , CFE , CFI and also FE type) .
I do not want to buy a new set of lenses .
You say , that I could use the CF lens adapter . True enough . But then , I could still not use the back for my ARCASWISS 6x9 and the fantastic ROTASLIDE back . (shift adapter with rotation possibility) .

What I am looking for , is not a new camera but a digital back with a higher resolution than my CFV , which I can use with the V-SYSTEM and my LF ARCA .
The H3DII-31 back would be my preferred candidate , but can not be used , as HASSELBLAD is a closed system now . So I either wait and hope for a CFV with a bigger resolution or I will have to go for an other brand . Unfortunately no bigger square sensor to be seen .

Regards Jürgen

 

[blowupster]

The Hasselblad digital backs are not made in Japan either ... right?

(...)
However, I would not care who made the sensor if it were a 48 X 48 in a CFV shell.

Fuji is famous for film and sensor, however is was chosen to build Hasselblad camera.
If they were in MF sensor pool, perhaps they should perform...

(I just baught a 555 ELD +Kodak digiback today, hope not be desapointed)

 

[rmueller]

What I am looking for , is not a new camera but a digital back with a higher resolution than my CFV , which I can use with the V-SYSTEM and my LF ARCA .
The H3DII-31 back would be my preferred candidate , but can not be used , as HASSELBLAD is a closed system now . So I either wait and hope for a CFV with a bigger resolution or I will have to go for an other brand . Unfortunately no bigger square sensor to be seen .

Hi Jürgen,

I see your point and kind of agree. The CFV is nice and produces high quality images with its very own look but somehow doesn't line up with
the newer MF backs. A square sensor is not in sight IMO, the only
alternative is a bigger sensor and crop to square, not ideal of course.

Maybe we should start collecting signatures and approach Hasselblad
once we have a decent number.

Best Regards,
Ralf

 

[fotografz]

You ask me strait questions and I will give you straight answers .
From the very first moment , the H1 came on the market , I did not like the design and its format (4,5x6) . Nothing has changed for me since .
You know , its like with cars . The one likes Mercedes and the other one does not . You can replace the brands . Or , YOU CAN CANON . I can not .
This shurely has got something to do with me and my emotions but does not make me suffer .

But there is still an other obstacle for me . I have all lenses for the V-SYSTEM cameras from 50-250 mm , for the 500 and also the 200 series cameras .
(C , CF , CFE , CFI and also FE type) .
I do not want to buy a new set of lenses .
You say , that I could use the CF lens adapter . True enough . But then , I could still not use the back for my ARCASWISS 6x9 and the fantastic ROTASLIDE back . (shift adapter with rotation possibility) .

What I am looking for , is not a new camera but a digital back with a higher resolution than my CFV , which I can use with the V-SYSTEM and my LF ARCA .
The H3DII-31 back would be my preferred candidate , but can not be used , as HASSELBLAD is a closed system now . So I either wait and hope for a CFV with a bigger resolution or I will have to go for an other brand . Unfortunately no bigger square sensor to be seen .

Regards Jürgen

I'm confused Jurgen. Why can't you use a H back on your Arcaswiss 6X9? I have a Rollei Xact-2 6X9 and use my H3D-II/39 digital back on it all the time.
One only needs the H adapter for their view camera to make most any digital back work including any H back. Sliding adapters are also available, even quad stitching adapters.

However, it is not recommended to use any of the backs equipped with micro prisms on the sensor like the H3D/31 or any Phase One back with micro-prisms like the P30 because of color shits when using extreme movements. But the 22, 39, 50 and 60 meg backs do not suffer from this.

The unique factor of the H system compared to a Mamiya or Contax 645 is that it is a leaf shutter system so the Zeiss legacy leaf shutter lenses can be used as they were intended ... as leaf shutter lenses with full auto aperture ability. While it is true that you cannot use F/FE lenses on the H camera, that is also true for any of the 500 series cameras.

You may well not like 645 in general, which is your choice. Yet unless there is a major shift in the market, I doubt a large square format sensor will be here anytime soon. I would say that given the current economic state of the world it is even less likely now than a year ago.

Look at the state of MF world wide ... look at the Hy6 which was to take the market by storm ... which it did not ... causing some financial difficulties. This could well be a hint as to why Hasselbald has concentrated on it's H system rather than the V in it's pitched battle with Phase One for survival. IMHO I believe Phase One was forced into it's alliance with Mamiya ... and based on direct user experience, no one on earth will ever convince me that the Mamiya 645 is anywhere near the camera that the H2F/H3 is ... and that includes the rebadged Phase One version of the Mamiya AFD-III.

Leaf has been innovative with it's backs to be sure ... but no large square sensor. The Aptus-II/10 with it's 54 meg rotating sensor is an interesting innovation (actually an old idea), But it is a 36 X 56 format ... even further away from our beloved square.

In the meantime, we DO have the CFV/CFV-II ... which still delights me to use on my 203FE and the full range of V lenses from fisheye to 350mm from both 500 and 200 series. Frankly, I think we are darned lucky to even have that given what is going on in the land of Medium Format.

-Marc
(AKA, Fotografz)

 

[jotloob]

Marc

Thank you very much for your detailed and very valuable information .
I do appreciate your contributions very much .

It was new to me , that I could use the H3DII-31 back with an H adapter on my ARCA . I thought of a complete closed H-SYSTEM .

And I agree to what you say .

I had a phone call with HASSELBLAD Germany before I saw your update and got some of the info you gave in your contribution .
Additionally it was mentioned , that there is a special sync cable from a third party manufacturer to avoid color casts when using lenses with COPAL or PRONTOR shutters with LF cameras .
When I have more info , which HASSELBLAD will e-mail me , I will come back and give details .

Thanks again
Regards Jürgen

 

[Paul Claesson HUSA]

Thanks for clarification.
BTW I have nothing against the fact it was made in Japan at the begining. I said that there was nothing to show if nothing is build in Sweden. So if it is not the case, why not organize visite as custumers like to see hardware manufactures.

"I have nothing against the fact it was made in Japan at the begining."
The H was never made in Japan in the beginning. Actually "Made in Sweden" in stamped on the tripod mount on the body. Also as Marc indicated and by my own ommission the digital backs/magazines are manufactured in Denmark as is all the firmware and Flexcolor and Phocus software.

As for a visit to the factory i can't answer that as i work in US subsidiary.
I will make an inquiry.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA

 

[Paul Claesson HUSA]

I'm confused Jurgen. Why can't you use a H back on your Arcaswiss 6X9? I have a Rollei Xact-2 6X9 and use my H3D-II/39 digital back on it all the time.
One only needs the H adapter for their view camera to make most any digital back work including any H back. Sliding adapters are also available, even quad stitching adapters.

-Marc
(AKA, Fotografz)

Thank you Marc for the concise and informed response.

Any H3DII 22, 39 or 50 digital magazine will on a view camera with the appropriate H adapter. There is also support for Rollei and Schneider electronic shutters as well.

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA

 

[jotloob]

Additionally it was mentioned , that there is a special sync cable from a third party manufacturer to avoid color casts when using lenses with COPAL orhutters with LF cameras .
When I have more info , which HASSELBLAD will e-mail me , I will come back and give details .

Here is the info I received from HASSELBLAD Germany .
View attachment 1296
Regards Jürgen

 

[fotografz]

Here is the info I received from HASSELBLAD Germany .
View attachment 1296
Regards Jürgen

FYI, Kapture Group is who made my adapter for use of the H3D-II/39 back. It is very precise and has worked flawlessly shoot after shoot.

BTW, I use various Hasselblad V finders to focus with : -)

It should be noted that to use a view camera un-theathered in the field with a Kapture Group sliding adapter, there is no power to the back, so an Image Bank-II must be used.

Another interesting notion is to utilize their 3 position Sliding Stitching Back Adapter with the CFV. That would produce a quite large file with a wider field of view.

-Marc

 

[jotloob]

FYI, Kapture Group is who made my adapter for use of the H3D-II/39 back. It is very precise and has worked flawlessly shoot after shoot.

BTW, I use various Hasselblad V finders to focus with : -)

It should be noted that to use a view camera un-theathered in the field with a Kapture Group sliding adapter, there is no power to the back, so an Image Bank-II must be used.

Another interesting notion is to utilize their 3 position Sliding Stitching Back Adapter with the CFV. That would produce a quite large file with a wider field of view.
-Marc

Marc

thank you for pointing out the need for an external power supply .
To use any H3DII back in the way I would like to use it , is therefore far too complicated .
There is the need of an H adapter for my ARCA , external power supply (image bank) and that special sync cable .
And then the limitation , that the back can not be used on the V-SYSTEM .

Checking all brands , I believe the best solution is a HASSELBLAD CFII-39 with the V-SYSTEM mount , which I also have for the ARCA .
Any other brand in the 39MP size is more expensive and requires additional capture software . The viewer for portrait position is no problem , as I have the RM-2 reflex viewer , which could very well be used .
See this image .

View attachment 1299

Do you have any experience with the CFII-39 (single shot) or does anyone else use that combo ? ? ? and can report his/her experience ? ? ?

Regards Jürgen .

 

[fotografz]

Marc

thank you for pointing out the need for an external power supply .
To use any H3DII back in the way I would like to use it , is therefore far too complicated .
There is the need of an H adapter for my ARCA , external power supply (image bank) and that special sync cable .
And then the limitation , that the back can not be used on the V-SYSTEM .

Checking all brands , I believe the best solution is a HASSELBLAD CFII-39 with the V-SYSTEM mount , which I also have for the ARCA .
Any other brand in the 39MP size is more expensive and requires additional capture software . The viewer for portrait position is no problem , as I have the RM-2 reflex viewer , which could very well be used .
See this image .

View attachment 1299

Do you have any experience with the CFII-39 (single shot) or does anyone else use that combo ? ? ? and can report his/her experience ? ? ?

Regards Jürgen .

I've not used one, but have been on shoots where one was used.

Essentially it is like the CFV-II, except it is H grey and obviously a larger sensor. It doesn't have the huge LCD like the H3D-II backs have, but it is large enough to work with. Other than that, it produces the same IQ as the H3D-II/39 when mounted on a view camera. I believe the separate V mount iAdapter allows removal of the back from a 500 series camera to rotate it to portrait mode when needed. I'd double check that to be sure.

Since you can change out the iAdapter, it can be mounted on most any MF camera ... including the H2F ... which unlike the H1 or H2 also provides the DAC corrections in Phocus. Perhaps not a selling point to you Jurgen, but a positive one should you sell the back later.

So, with the same back, one could use it on a 500 series V camera, a view camera or any tech camera, and with different iAdapters the user can swap the mount and use it on a Mamiya RZ, Contax 645, Mamiya AFD-II or H1,H2, H2F.

Besides Hasselblad, only Sinar offers this ability. Other backs from Leaf and Phase One must have the actual mount changed at the factory which is not inexpensive nor quick.

 

[jotloob]

Hasselblad cfii-39

Thanks you Marc for your update . Very helpful , as always .

I am about to get a special offer for the CFII-39 including the ELD-Adapter , which is the one for the V-SYSTEM . Also I have two V-Adapters for my beloved ARCA .
I have not made a final decision yet , but the probability to go for that back has grown very much .

Regarding a 48x48 sensor , I have given up hope for a CFV III .
If you look at the newest VICTORBYHASSELBLAD , you will recognize , that the V-System has apparently vanished from HASSELBLAD's product portfolio . They do not mention that system any more .

Additional to that , I want to get a back with a bigger resolution than the one the CFV has . But I want it now , and I do not want to wait for ever .

Jürgen

 

[rmueller]

I am about to get a special offer for the CFII-39 including the ELD-Adapter , which is the one for the V-SYSTEM .

Hi Jürgen,

I would be *VERY* interested about that special offer. My wife is in the process of buying a CFVII. In case your special offer is not magnitudes
away from what the CFVII costs i would consider to do my wife a favor

Regards,
Ralf

 

[jotloob]

Ralf

As soon as I know more , I will let you know .

Jürgen