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Hasselblad CFV Digital Back CONTINUED

Bryant:
I went straight to the bottom of this thread andd saw this girl's pic. Sincerely, I thought it was an image shot on film. Amazing!

Although I only rely from pics on the internet to pull out my visual conclusions about DMF, I can say that this pic (is it really from the CFV?) is the most film-like I've seen, including some images taken with backs up to 39mp.

It really looks organic. It doesn't have that electric look of sharp digital pictures. It even has that slight muddyness of film, which in this case is a positive thing.

Again, beautiful! - Good photographer too.

Eduardo
 
Hello everybody. This might be a dumb question... in fact, several questions, but: how susceptible is the CFV to dust, and how easy is it to clean? Do you find yourself taking the same shots on film and digital backs or do you find that you need to change lens or recompose to compensate for the crop factor? I presume that the largest acceptable prints from the CFV are smaller than the largest acceptable prints on 6x6 film when dealing with similar subject matter and viewed in a similar way, is that correct?

Cheers!

Andy
 
From my limited perspective:

The dust issue depends on both the environment you are using it in and how often you open/change the back and of course where you change the back. The sensor is very accessible for cleaning from what I can see although I haven't cleaned mine for some time. Mine gets light use without any obvious problems.

The crop factor is definitely an issue for me. My shortest lens is 50mm and so now I have no wide angle lens essentially.

As for the size of print, I recently printed something 1m squared and it was completely perfect. The printer was a lambda printer and they told me I could have gone a lot bigger before there were problems. You have to remember too though that for most prints that large, you are not going to appreciate them at a close distance anyway so for me it's more of a theoretical rather than actual limitation.

Doron
 
Gilbert, it was shot with the 80mm 2.8. At I think f/8


And Eduardo, It is from my recently purchased 503cwd which does use the CFV. I just got home from a little get together last night, and when I brought up my computer from sleep the image was still sitting there in Photoshop, and I yet again, said wow.
 
I fill silly asking this, but I have just got back from a small trip around NZ (using the CFV) and I have tried converting and opening the images in flexcolour (4.7) and I keep getting the message "Not enough disk space to transfer images", which is odd as I have over 38gigs spear on my hard drive and I have not had this problem before. I have also tried copying the images across to the external hard drive and tried opening them from there, but the same message pops up.

The images show in flexcolour as 3fr files, but I can't do anything with them; I don't know if the following is a flexcolour or a computer problem?

I am now defragging my hard drive, just on the of chance this helps?
 
Ouch. Paul I do hope it is not the type of problem Jurgen had! Fingers, toes, arms, legs and any other body parts crossed!
 
Paul

What is the size of your CF Card and how many shot are contained on that card ? ? ?

The size of a 3FR file can vary from 22MB to 25MB . These are figures , I experienced .
38GB is quite a lot of space . I do not know how much space is required for control information by FLEXCOLOR .
So I suggest , just to pin the problem down a bit more , take an other CF Card , format it and take a couple of testshots . Say about 10 shots , which would make up not more than 250MB . Then try to process them as you tried with your other shots .
Let us know the result of this testing .

Regards Jürgen
 
Downloading problem continued, update.

I’m not sure what’s going on, but I tried downloading them directly through the camera with fire wire, instead of the card reader and that seems to have done the job, I have had the problem reoccur once?

I also tried loading it through the card reader at a later date and that worked?

I had 3 lots of cards to download at the time; one was only a 1 Meg card, which is the one I had problems with. The only thing I can think of, is it wasn’t formatted properly; the card is formatted for my other camera as well, but it’s always been like that?

Hoping it's just one of those things and won’t reoccur, time will tell.
 
I'm not sure what's going on, but I tried downloading them directly through the camera with fire wire, instead of the card reader and that seems to have done the job, I have had the problem reoccur once?

I also tried loading it through the card reader at a later date and that worked?

I had 3 lots of cards to download at the time; one was only a 1 Meg card, which is the one I had problems with. The only thing I can think of, is it wasn't formatted properly; the card is formatted for my other camera as well, but it's always been like that?

Hoping it's just one of those things and won't reoccur, time will tell.
 
Paul

Offloading your image data directly by using the FW cable or offloading by using a FW card reader or a USB card reader should always lead to the same result , namely to "processeable" 3FR files in FLEXCOLOR . That is the design and that must work .

As we do not know , how the formatting of a CF card differs between the CFV and a CANON or NIKON , I suggest you use the one and same card only for your CFV or CANON , NIKON , but not do a cross formatting .

Regards Jürgen
 
" ... one was only a 1 Meg card, which is the one I had problems with."

I presume you meant it was a 1 Gig card : -)

Paul, I've had that same "not enough disc space" message pop up with other digital Cameras, so it's not specific to your CFV. I am racking my brain trying to remember what I did about it.

If I recall, I had to many programs open at the same time, and a re-start fixed it. I also recall someone on another forum having to trash their Flexcolor preferences when that problem occurred for them. I had to do that once ... my dealer walked me through how to do it.

Also, I've had that "not enough disk space" pop up when just working in Photoshop and it had nothing to do with any digital camera or CF card.

In my experience, these programs are very memory intense and when you drop all these gigs of photos on top of it it can turn your computer into an idiot. This typically occurs when the computers Hard Drive available capacity falls below 1/3 of it's total. In my case I have a 150 gig drive with approx. half that being used for programs and files stored on it.
So dropping 15 gigs of wedding files on top of everything else can create problems.


Also, when I have a number of external firewire drives active on the computer, it almost always causes some issues.

But as with anything concerning computer, your milage may vary. It may have just been the CF card or the Firewire connection acting up.


As I am doing high volume processing for wedding work here's my work flow which may be helpful to some folks:

Shoot with multiple cameras, each time coded prior to the shoot. BTW, I've never had a problem mixing cards from other camera use, the CFV will simple warn you that the CF card is not compatible ... until you re-format it.

Download 4 CF cards at a time to one desktop folder using 4 Lexar daisy chained Pro CF firewire readers ... plus download any SD cards into the same folder at the same time using Sandisk USB2 readers. Downloads an entire wedding in under 10 minutes. The only exception is any Hasselblad files are placed in a second folder for processing in Flexcolor.

Put the CFs aside as back-up. Processing directly from CF cards is slow and dangerous.

Open Flexcolor and select the Hasselblad desktop folder. Edit junk and then select remaining for DNG conversions ( this is just for wedding work where I want all the images in order of time shot for further editing ). Those DNG conversions are saved in the same master file with all the other camera's files.

Open the one master desktop file in Lightroom and sort by time shot, further edit and then process to final tiffs.
 
I want to thank all of you who have contributed so much to this CFV dialogue and to the education of this newbie. I stumbled on this site looking for info on my newly acquired 500c and am astounded by the encylopedic knowledge. I am moving slowly from 40 years of 35mm with a stable of Nikon film equipment toward the digital world and am delighted with the idea of being able to have one foot in the mechanical/film world and the other in the digital. Its like finding out I could put an electronic ignition on my '54 BMW motorcycle. It has taken a while to read and understand both lengthy threads, but well worth the time. There must be a lot of folks like myself making the move and this dialogue would be such a wonderful read for those like me who are a little intimidated by the idea. Especially moving from only 35mm film to MF digital. Again, thanks to all of you for the education.
Bernie
 
Bernie:

Welcome, don't hesitate to ask a question there are some participates with a lot of knowledge and experience that are very willing to share it with you. There is also a Nikon forum with some very interesting contributions about digital as well.

Regards:

Gilbert
 
Bernie:
As far as I'm concerned, this place is world's best for learning and discussing the V system.
Here, waiting for my CFV2

Best,
Eduardo
 
Eduardo

After the nonsense with H3D39II , and I can not see anything real progressive in that camera , I would not expect anything like a CFVII .
For me , a real progress would have been a CFV* , where * would mean , higher quality and more reliability .

Regards Jürgen
 
Yeap,
Paul said that too in a private email. Not really holding my breath , but I had high hopes to happen sooner or later.

Manufacturers all of kinds in digital photography industry are going the same way with all this nonsense. Look at Epson with their new "vivid magenta" scheme. Canon and the mythical 3D. This is getting ridiculous. Manufacturers know we are prey for life. Photographers are one of a kind. We eat art and technology for bf, lunch and supper.

Before digital, photographic manufacturers tried to achieve the best they could at the time. Now, they always keep something for later. And when they got it right they undo it, to start all over again. Besides, asking the industry is taboo now. A whole industry emerged out of this. Speculation and rumor forums around the world.

I know they are in the bussiness of selling gadgets, but a going less greedy and showing a little courtesy every now and then, doesn't hurt anyone.

Enough said. I have to go back to work to gather my savings for my 1DS Mk3. I guess it will be my xmas present. Or probably I will use that money to buy a Hy6 with 2 lenses and a Nikon 9000 scanner. Sounds like fun, isn't it?

Eduardo
 
"Or probably I will use that money to buy a Hy6 with 2 lenses and a Nikon 9000 scanner. Sounds like fun, isn't it?"

Yes.

I've said it before ... if you don't have to have digital for commercial work, or some high volume quick turn around application, stick with film and a good scanner. If the demand for this approach was higher, there would be a lot more scanners to select from and a there would have been more advancements.

IMO, it isn't the manufacturers causing all this digital hub-bub, it a bunch of impatient photographers feeding the beast. Gotta have it now, gimme it now. I wannna see it now, gimme it now. I want more, bigger, better NOW. GREED works both ways. If the beast wasn't fed, it wouldn't be the beast.
 
Thank you for repeating that good advice. I took note of this when you gave it before and am quite happy now with film and a Nikon scanner (just affordable for me).
 
So the Hy6 should be renamed the Hy666 if I understand you correctly? But only when mated with a digiback.

:cool: Wilko
 
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