meir_pluznik
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really no option beside discontinued 4x4 viewer (it is not a prism). If you only want to see the CFV crop just blacken solid around the crop and u see only the 4x4 crop.
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Framing with CFV cropping factor How
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christian_r
Member
So let me see if I got it right.
I can use a prism, and black out the outside of the actual frame, and with the prism get a magnification?
I can use a prism, and black out the outside of the actual frame, and with the prism get a magnification?
meir_pluznik
New Member
magnification will not change and will never change because of fixed prism and fixed optics to 3x.
the viewing is still far better than looking at DSLR LOL.
Meir
the viewing is still far better than looking at DSLR LOL.
Meir
christian_r
Member
Ok.
Maybe it is just me, but i find the d3 finder bigger then the cwd with prism.
Anyhow, think I got the info I needed.
Tank You!
Maybe it is just me, but i find the d3 finder bigger then the cwd with prism.
Anyhow, think I got the info I needed.
Tank You!
meir_pluznik
New Member
no problema!
Any prism will show u upright image ( the way u look). with the hood flip finder the image indeed bigger but your eye will scan the whole place, and flip backward.
Meir
Any prism will show u upright image ( the way u look). with the hood flip finder the image indeed bigger but your eye will scan the whole place, and flip backward.
Meir
michaelhcothran
Member
None of the "reversing" prisms available magnify as well, or give you as bright an image, as the waist level finder. However, I often find the magnified image of the WLF to be deceiving, as things that I thought were dominant through the finder were not so on the actual image. A 45 degree prism is really your best choice, and while it may look unmagnified, it represents the perspective of elements that will look the same as what you see on your film or digital file.
I didn't think I would like seeing the surrounding areas when I first installed my CFV focusing screen, but I got used to it very quickly, and now appreciate being able to see "past" what the lens sees.
I found a focusing magnifier for my PME51 prism on Ebay, and got it for about $45. It attaches to the viewer, and highly magnifies a small portion of the screen for critical focusing. Once critical focusing is finished, it simply flips out of the way.
If you can live with the reversed image, a Rodenstock 4x magnifier fits perfectly inside the WLF, and provides a very large, bright area for critical focusing. I've often used this setup, as it provides you with the best and brightest image for focusing, albeit "backwards."
I didn't think I would like seeing the surrounding areas when I first installed my CFV focusing screen, but I got used to it very quickly, and now appreciate being able to see "past" what the lens sees.
I found a focusing magnifier for my PME51 prism on Ebay, and got it for about $45. It attaches to the viewer, and highly magnifies a small portion of the screen for critical focusing. Once critical focusing is finished, it simply flips out of the way.
If you can live with the reversed image, a Rodenstock 4x magnifier fits perfectly inside the WLF, and provides a very large, bright area for critical focusing. I've often used this setup, as it provides you with the best and brightest image for focusing, albeit "backwards."
blowupster
Member
I haven't the CFV (yet) but I allready had trouble with focussing.
I have the PM 45 (2.5x) witch is heavy but help not enought for focussing on bad light focusing.
The standard viewfinder is better.
I use the 4x4 witch is realy the top and has dioptrical corrections. But it avoid to watch the exposure data from 202 camera (so impossible to know the time setting !)
I use the flipping 2.5 magnifier with my my PM 45 it help and has dioptric correction too.
The PM90 with only 2x, should be hard for focussing.
I have the PM 45 (2.5x) witch is heavy but help not enought for focussing on bad light focusing.
The standard viewfinder is better.
I use the 4x4 witch is realy the top and has dioptrical corrections. But it avoid to watch the exposure data from 202 camera (so impossible to know the time setting !)
I use the flipping 2.5 magnifier with my my PM 45 it help and has dioptric correction too.
The PM90 with only 2x, should be hard for focussing.
christian_r
Member
Where can You get used or new prisms?
Any good website that will ship worldwide?
/christian
Any good website that will ship worldwide?
/christian
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Pascal
I do have that flipping magnifier and I believe , that this accessory was the most stupid thing HASSELBLAD ever put on the market . For me it is just a waste of money . It is for sale , if anyone wants to annoy himself .
People , who do not wear glasses might see that completely different .
The DPS 4x4 viewer is perfect when using the CFV back or other square backs with the same sensor size .
Yes , with the restriction for the 202FA , 203FE and 205 cameras , where the exposure data like aperture and shutter times can not be seen .
I can live with that .
Jürgen
I do have that flipping magnifier and I believe , that this accessory was the most stupid thing HASSELBLAD ever put on the market . For me it is just a waste of money . It is for sale , if anyone wants to annoy himself .
People , who do not wear glasses might see that completely different .
The DPS 4x4 viewer is perfect when using the CFV back or other square backs with the same sensor size .
Yes , with the restriction for the 202FA , 203FE and 205 cameras , where the exposure data like aperture and shutter times can not be seen .
I can live with that .
Jürgen
polypal
Active Member
Jürgen,
That is not a very inviting sales text you just wrote.
You sort of degrade the guy who is going to buy that thing as a foolproof idiot.
It is your honest opinion about the flipping magnifier, I like flipping here,
but that does not help to get you a buyer.
Lets say it is like a focusing screen something to be left to the person who is going to use it.
Marc for instance could not do without these flip up magnifiers.
Paul
That is not a very inviting sales text you just wrote.
You sort of degrade the guy who is going to buy that thing as a foolproof idiot.
It is your honest opinion about the flipping magnifier, I like flipping here,
but that does not help to get you a buyer.
Lets say it is like a focusing screen something to be left to the person who is going to use it.
Marc for instance could not do without these flip up magnifiers.
Paul
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Paul
I am sorry .
It was and is not my intention to degrade anybody as a foolproof idiot who is interested to get that flipping magnifier .
I also pointed out , THAT FOR ME , it is a waste of money .
I have to wear glasses and find it extremeky difficult to use that flipping magnifier .
Also , it must be allowed to show emotions , not only positive ones .
Regards Jürgen
I am sorry .
It was and is not my intention to degrade anybody as a foolproof idiot who is interested to get that flipping magnifier .
I also pointed out , THAT FOR ME , it is a waste of money .
I have to wear glasses and find it extremeky difficult to use that flipping magnifier .
Also , it must be allowed to show emotions , not only positive ones .
Regards Jürgen
polypal
Active Member
Jürgen,
As soon as I posted my remark I new I forgot to put in a smiley or two.
You cannot add these later so I had the choice of removing the post and
starting all over.
Time is a lousy restricting factor. Not a good excuse but reality.
Off course you have every right to express your findings the way you did.
I could not help noticing that it does not help to find a buyer for the finder.
Never the less these things are quite in demand and fetch good prices on
ebay for instance.
I am sure somebody will be quite happy to relieve you of this flipping magnifier.
Lets
to that!
Paul
As soon as I posted my remark I new I forgot to put in a smiley or two.
You cannot add these later so I had the choice of removing the post and
starting all over.
Time is a lousy restricting factor. Not a good excuse but reality.
Off course you have every right to express your findings the way you did.
I could not help noticing that it does not help to find a buyer for the finder.
Never the less these things are quite in demand and fetch good prices on
ebay for instance.
I am sure somebody will be quite happy to relieve you of this flipping magnifier.
Lets
to that!Paul
blowupster
Member
I like the flipping one and I have the chance to get the 4x4 one at good prize too.
With the 4x4 and the 202FA it's dangerous: the "manual speed selector" may be touched by accident and then a big mistake may be done.
With auto, or (the interesting zone) you may be surprised to use low speed click-----clak that means failed picture.
With the 4x4 I use only 1/90 speed with "manual loked" ..so you cann imagine that I prefere other viewfinders !
One good point with the 4x4 is that you cann change the diopty (with helicoidal ring) easily; that's important beacause the need is diferent in the sunny morning than after a long day.
Perhaps a genius modification of the 4x4 viewfinder to allow the data screen to be seen...
...and a flash holder to carry the radio master falsh trigger.
With the 4x4 and the 202FA it's dangerous: the "manual speed selector" may be touched by accident and then a big mistake may be done.
With auto, or (the interesting zone) you may be surprised to use low speed click-----clak that means failed picture.
With the 4x4 I use only 1/90 speed with "manual loked" ..so you cann imagine that I prefere other viewfinders !
One good point with the 4x4 is that you cann change the diopty (with helicoidal ring) easily; that's important beacause the need is diferent in the sunny morning than after a long day.
Perhaps a genius modification of the 4x4 viewfinder to allow the data screen to be seen...
...and a flash holder to carry the radio master falsh trigger.
jotloob
Well-Known Member
Pascal
I am afraid , there will be no genious modification to the DPS 4x4 viewer .
That viewer can only be used for 37x37 mm square sensors and the future will bring us bigger sensors . That would require a new viewer design .
Therefore I think , the flipping magnifier was designed to be used with the PM(E) 45 and might be with other viewers as well .
I am afraid , there will be no genious modification to the DPS 4x4 viewer .
That viewer can only be used for 37x37 mm square sensors and the future will bring us bigger sensors . That would require a new viewer design .
Therefore I think , the flipping magnifier was designed to be used with the PM(E) 45 and might be with other viewers as well .
blowupster
Member
I use the Hasselblad flipping to adjust or verify the telemeter of my Leica M8.
I tried to use it to shot with the summicron 90mm and 135mm. With 2.5 magnification, it's perfect (the frame just enter in the field). But it's particulary unpratical /unsafe to hold.
A special tube/ring has to be made for correct use.
In fact I use more often the flipping with my Leica than with my Hassy.
For Hasselblad the standard viewfinder and the 4x4 are the best to foccus and shot ...for me.
I tried to use it to shot with the summicron 90mm and 135mm. With 2.5 magnification, it's perfect (the frame just enter in the field). But it's particulary unpratical /unsafe to hold.
A special tube/ring has to be made for correct use.
In fact I use more often the flipping with my Leica than with my Hassy.
For Hasselblad the standard viewfinder and the 4x4 are the best to foccus and shot ...for me.