V series mirror slap!

[polypal]

Old 40 mm as in C forty?

Even the CF version can be considered old the first ones are well over 25 years of age.

Old has very little to do with sharpness unless you use a C series lens at close range.

Incorrect adjustment of the floating lens group and forgetting to adjust focus is one of
the likely causes for an unsharp image with a CF lens.

 

[polarcircle]

What people don't understand when they assume that medium format cameras shake more than 35 mm during the mirror return (particularly hasselblad) is that this is to be understood the relative weight of the mirror v.s. the total weight AND shape of the camera (with lens and back) as well as damping of course. There is usually a worse frequency of vibration for every camera related to its so called eigenfrequency - this may vary from camera to camera and is also dependent upon camera lens combination. My light weight old Konica is actually worse for shakes than my Hasselblad - mostly due to the pressure needed to release the shutter.

Cheers,

Ronald

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKcbyh2CrA

 

[stever]

The film option is always less money if the client pays for the film as they should. But as I see it, Kodak and Fuji aren't really interested in continuing film since they also make the chemistry and sell the lab equipment. And labs are GONE from here. There is one transparency roll film lab in Indianapolis that I know of. The pro labs have shut their doors. Even Walmart won't process film. So mailing the film off for days is NOT an option. Too bad since I'm convinced that digital has a way to go to beat the convenience and ingenuity of film -- self registering, self filtering, self masking in just a tiny thin layer and it rolls up, plus no batteries.

BC,

Which galaxy are you getting information from? Kodak, Fuji and Ilford are still doing film research. Kodak has brought out new color and black & white films, in addition to improving the existing films. Companies do not bring out new products and continuing in business lines that they are discontinuing. And no the three companies, in spite of your wishes, have not destroyed all their machines.

Kodachrome is processed only in Kansas by Dwayne's, not in Indianapolis. That is a big difference. Would you claim that London is Paris? Or Barcelona is Moscow? Hell, they are are the same continent and by you non-logic all cities are the same!

Ektachrome is processed in many locations worldwide. Hot flash for you: these processing labs handle mail order too! Oh, my bad, there is no postal service in the world because you have learned about text messaging.

And yes, Walmart does still process film.

You would do well to do "due diligence" before posting again.

Steve

 

[bcphoto]

Wilko

The 40mm Distagon I rented wasn't a clunker but it was the oldest one, the first model that Hassey made. I also used another Photographer's copy and it too wasn't as sharp as 50mm and above. I also didn't like the 30mm. But the 40mm I used I'm sure was just an f4 40mm Distagon -- that looked like a large lens on a cone hooked to the end of an 80mm.

I didn't mean to imply that any models later than those are not sharp. Of course they are and I'd like to have one of the CFE or CFi -- but not that old model.

BC

 

[polypal]

"The old clunker"

The later CF FLE lens performs better especially when used at full aperture.

At F8 the differences in IQ are marginally better for the FLE design.

40 mm lenses of later design are all CFE models.
There is no CFi 40 mm.


Paul

 

[bcphoto]

Stever

I don't really know what your problem is or where you live but Walmart here does not develop film. (that's in the Reality Galaxy)

I do know where Kodachrome is processed -- I never shot it so that doesn't matter.

I know of one roll film line in Indy that runs E-6. There used to be 4 pro labs that ran sheet film. They're gone due to digital -- ALL GONE. And no matter how much research has been done on film it did not stop that.

Also when I went to Brooks Institute and was in Color film technology classes we tracked the quality of various Kodak films over the years. And we found that just before a new film was introduced by them that the old film it replaced had a loss of speed. The new film would be up to speed. In essence the "new" films aren't much better than what was used in the fifties. There was nothing wrong with Panatomic X, Kodacolor or SuperXX. E-4 films were good until E6 came out.

I should also point out things like creating technologies like PhotoCD, Versamat, Disc Camera, 110, and others and then dropping support for them. If something looks unprofitable they will drop it.

The distance I would have to go to get sheet film developed is nearly the same distance as London to Paris. I would have to go to Chicago.

And what "PRO" would want to mail film out and tell the client it will take a week to get it back and the competitor down the street is shooting digital and offering "instant" results? It doesn't work on the commercial level and film is dead even if it may be better in many ways like dynamic range. It is dead because they want it dead. I don't see any Kodak commercials telling how wonderful film is and to go out and buy some film right now. They are not promoting it. Does the shutting down of the Kodachrome lines look like some kind of promotion to shoot Kodachrome?

It is disappointing since I have Sinar, Hasselblad, Art panorama film cameras. The last roll of film I had developed at the only lab I know of looked off speed -- too fast. So what is the point if the line isn't in control? Besides Photography is my job and not a hobby, they can shut down all the lines and I've gone Canon digital years ago and I will move up to MF with the CFV39 (Kodak sensor - wow surprise surprise).

I'm in the rural area outside of Indy and in the nearest town there is a negative roll film process running. But the proprietor told me he wouldn't develop any pro film because the line was out of control. I asked why and he said "not enough volume". Film will probably take its last breath in LA or NYC. The RED cameras are fast at work on replacing film for movies.

I suggest buying some stamps -- Russian probably -- to mail your film to Moscow in a few years.

BC

 

[bcphoto]

Polypal

Paul,

That's the old clunker I was talking about. I haven't shot a 40mm that was newer than that since a 50mm did about anything I wanted. (That will be different when I switch to digital)

BC

 

[cs_foto]

I don't really know what your problem is or where you live but Walmart here does not develop film. (that's in the Reality Galaxy)

I do know where Kodachrome is processed -- I never shot it so that doesn't matter.

I know of one roll film line in Indy that runs E-6. There used to be 4 pro labs that ran sheet film. They're gone due to digital -- ALL GONE. And no matter how much research has been done on film it did not stop that.

Also when I went to Brooks Institute and was in Color film technology classes we tracked the quality of various Kodak films over the years. And we found that just before a new film was introduced by them that the old film it replaced had a loss of speed. The new film would be up to speed. In essence the "new" films aren't much better than what was used in the fifties. There was nothing wrong with Panatomic X, Kodacolor or SuperXX. E-4 films were good until E6 came out.

I should also point out things like creating technologies like PhotoCD, Versamat, Disc Camera, 110, and others and then dropping support for them. If something looks unprofitable they will drop it.

The distance I would have to go to get sheet film developed is nearly the same distance as London to Paris. I would have to go to Chicago.

And what "PRO" would want to mail film out and tell the client it will take a week to get it back and the competitor down the street is shooting digital and offering "instant" results? It doesn't work on the commercial level and film is dead even if it may be better in many ways like dynamic range. It is dead because they want it dead. I don't see any Kodak commercials telling how wonderful film is and to go out and buy some film right now. They are not promoting it. Does the shutting down of the Kodachrome lines look like some kind of promotion to shoot Kodachrome?

It is disappointing since I have Sinar, Hasselblad, Art panorama film cameras. The last roll of film I had developed at the only lab I know of looked off speed -- too fast. So what is the point if the line isn't in control? Besides Photography is my job and not a hobby, they can shut down all the lines and I've gone Canon digital years ago and I will move up to MF with the CFV39 (Kodak sensor - wow surprise surprise).

I'm in the rural area outside of Indy and in the nearest town there is a negative roll film process running. But the proprietor told me he wouldn't develop any pro film because the line was out of control. I asked why and he said "not enough volume". Film will probably take its last breath in LA or NYC. The RED cameras are fast at work on replacing film for movies.

I suggest buying some stamps -- Russian probably -- to mail your film to Moscow in a few years.

BC

Well... it seems that living in the USA really sucks...

 

[polypal]

I use the "old clunker" a lot.
Stopped down it does not bother me its performance is marginally less than that of the later CF versions.
The largest disadvantage is the use of this lens at close range.
A mechanical stop at 0.9 m reminds the user he is about to enter the range where quality of the lens is less good.
I do not use the lens for close distance anyway.

The world around us is changing fast.
Kodachrome processing is no longer possible by Kodak.
I heard a rumor the machines are sold to interested parties who may offer continued service.
How long that will last is everybodies guess as Kodachrome film will be difficult to find.


In Europe it is still possible to find good labs for E6 and C41 processing.
Their number is getting smaller.
The ones that continue attract more business from a larger area.

I have no recent experience from developments in the US.
We all have to accept it will be harder to find a good lab even at considerable larger distance.


Paul

 

[stever]

Also when I went to Brooks Institute and was in Color film technology classes we tracked the quality of various Kodak films over the years. And we found that just before a new film was introduced by them that the old film it replaced had a loss of speed. The new film would be up to speed. In essence the "new" films aren't much better than what was used in the fifties.

Apocryphal, Kodak and the rest of the film companies do not play games like that. All the manufacturers know that the public depends on producing good and consistent products.

Obiviously you have not shot films since the fifties. Kodak brought out the Portra line. Ektachrome has been steadily improving. Kodak has improved the grain and scanability for Plus X, Tri X, TMax 100, and TMax 400.

The distance I would have to go to get sheet film developed is nearly the same distance as London to Paris. I would have to go to Chicago.

When was the last time you used sheet film in your Hasselblad? What is wrong with FreeStyle or B&H?

And what "PRO" would want to mail film out and tell the client it will take a week to get it back and the competitor down the street is shooting digital and offering "instant" results? It doesn't work on the commercial level and film is dead even if it may be better in many ways like dynamic range. It is dead because they want it dead.

This says nothing about Kodak no longer making film. If a photographer needs fast turn around then they can process their own film or go digital. You still have not addressed your statements that Kodak have abandoned the film market.

Hot tip: It is their only business division that still produces a profit in this economy.

I should also point out things like creating technologies like PhotoCD, Versamat, Disc Camera, 110, and others and then dropping support for them. If something looks unprofitable they will drop it.

And so would any other company. You must be in business to go bankrupt, by your logic.

I don't see any Kodak commercials telling how wonderful film is and to go out and buy some film right now. They are not promoting it. Does the shutting down of the Kodachrome lines look like some kind of promotion to shoot Kodachrome?

Kodak and Fuji do not get enough ROI on film advertising.

Kodak produced the last master roll of Kodachrome almost three years ago and it is finally being sold now. There is not Kodachrome market that can support continued production.

It is disappointing since I have Sinar, Hasselblad, Art panorama film cameras. The last roll of film I had developed at the only lab I know of looked off speed -- too fast. So what is the point if the line isn't in control? Besides Photography is my job and not a hobby, they can shut down all the lines and I've gone Canon digital years ago and I will move up to MF with the CFV39 (Kodak sensor - wow surprise surprise).

I'm in the rural area outside of Indy and in the nearest town there is a negative roll film process running. But the proprietor told me he wouldn't develop any pro film because the line was out of control. I asked why and he said "not enough volume". Film will probably take its last breath in LA or NYC. The RED cameras are fast at work on replacing film for movies.

Obviously, you need to find another photo finisher or develop your own film.

I suggest buying some stamps -- Russian probably -- to mail your film to Moscow in a few years.

You should live so long.

And you still have not provided one scintilla of proof that Kodak has abandoned the film market. You put up a lot of chafe but nothing factual on this subject.

Steve

 

[fotografz]

If one is passionate about sharpness with a wide angle Zeiss lens, I suggest the 40/4 CFE IF. I also suggest wearing safety glasses when viewing results : -)

I agree, film is dead for most commercial applications. Film, processing and scanning adds to much costs and time to the bid. Besides, instead of an out of pocket cost for film and processing/scanning, my digital cameras earned a digital capture fee (marked as rental fee on the bid), which payed for the digital back with-in a year or two. Look up the rental fee for a 39 meg camera and lenses at rental houses ... $600.+ per day.

Film however is hardly dead. Lots of choices still around. for just one: visit www.freestylephoto.biz for your needs. Some nice silver rich choices there.

Good USA labs are becoming more centralized. One must box up their films and ship them off ... or process their own B&W. Dale Labs in Florida is a good starting point ... www.dalelabs.com ... or call them and ask to talk to Dale himself. He's passionate about quality.

-Marc

Bradley, have you posted that video (and Paul's) on Get DPI? That would generate some discussion ... LOL!

 

[bradleygibson]

Which one--the penny?? No, I haven't--that might be interesting...