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Professional Service; Cost vs. Value

v-system

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No doubt, the cost and uncertainty involved in professional service for Hasselblad equipment is daunting. Most of my Hasselblad equipment was purchased off E-Bay with the understanding that I could collect exactly the system parts I wanted as money came available and, in that way, eventually wind up with a decent kit. Unfortunately, the condition of these pieces, though cosmetically quite decent, can have hidden mechanical issues that happen when purchasing 30 year old equipment. Here's how it turned out for me:

Among the myriad bits and pieces of kit I've acquired, the major, servicable components are one 500C/M body, a 50mm Distagon C T* lens, a 250mm Sonnar C T* lens and one A12 film back.

The '84 body came to me looking rough as a sizeable section of leatherette was missing. I paid 189.95 for the "bargain" body touted as "fully functional." I recovered the entire body with a $30 leatherette kit from CamreaLeather.com and it looks wonderful. The body was serviced by David Odess who felt it necessary to replace the upper-plate foam, front-plate foam, release button spring, aux. shutter spring and aux. shutter reflection protector at a total cost, with labor ($150), of 235.82.

Body Total: $455.77

The '75 50mm lens looks gorgeous and was purchased for $445.36. While the lens behaved quite well as shipped, I knew it would need service due to slow, uneven (on the slow end of the dial) shutter speeds -even after repeated cycling. David Odess replaced the main-spring, flash contact and cocking-ring spring with a labor cost of $150. Total cost of service was $211.04.

50mm Lens Total: $656.40

The '77 250mm lens was touted by the seller as in near perfect condition. I paid $583.20 for it. When it arrived I knew there was trouble as the focusing ring "stumbled" over itself while rotating the ring and the self timer was too weak to trip the shutter. The mechansim felt weak all around and I felt ripped-off. Nevertheless, I decided to keep the lens and have it serviced. David Odess replaced the main-spring, flash contact, cocking-ring spring, main-bearing and self-timer with a $150 labor cost. Service total was $383.85.

250mm Lens Total: $967.05 (ouch)

The '79 A12 Film Back was purchased for $150 and looked fabulous. Unfortunately, though it was said that it "works perfectly," it would sometimes seize at (or about) the 6th frame. David Odess replaced the light-trap, light-trap foil, nylon stop & drive gear with a labor cost of $80. Service cost was $175.07.

A12 Film Back Total: $325.07

All that said, before service, I had a cludge of equipment that looked great but was utterly undependable. If I did everything right -best practice shooting, perfect meter use and optimal conditions for making a photograph I would likely produce as many garbage shots as useable ones due to neglected, unpredictable equipment. When I go out to shoot now, I KNOW I can trust the machine to do its part and that it will perform any command I give it with flawless execution. I might make wrong choices, but the camera is not an inhibitor to the process. The peace of mind I gained from spending near $1,100 in service is worth far more to me.

Special thanks to David Odess, a skillful dealer in "Peace of Mind."
 
Thanks for explaining a sensible and realistic approach to using older Hasselblads with an unknown service history.

Including full service you paid about 20% over current market value for your fully serviced equipment.
Taking into account the excellent service David Odess provides this is money well spent.
Keep in mind a substantial part of older Hasselblad cameras were used professionally which leads to more wear and tear.
Not all pros are smart enough to have their gear serviced regularly.
Chances are this gear ends up in the hands of amateur users who do not bother to have it serviced either.

Your experience shows it is not all gold that shines at auction sites.
Unless you are an experienced trader it is very hard to distinguish promises from descriptions that are trustworthy.

The word mint is probably the most abused word ever to be found at evilbay.
Mint means without even a minimal trace of user marks.


David Odess: www.david-odess.com/



Vic.
 
I like the way they use MINT in the title of the item and then go on to described the marks and damage in the body of the auction!

Terry
 
Maybe I've been lucky but location wise I'm pretty much forced to use Ebay and to date every item acquired has been as good if not better than stated. 500 C/M, 500 EL/M, 60mm CF, 100m T* in awesome condition. A couple of the backs needed new light seals but no big deal here.

I bought my stuff 3 years ago BEFORE film got popular!

500 C/M plus A12 + Acutte Matt + 60mm CF = $800

EL/M + working battery + dedicated timed charger = $150!

100mm Mint T* $450

3 years later all still working perfectly without need for CLA which is fortunate as this facility doesn't exist in my part of the world!

p.s. don't ask about carriage and import costs :eek:
 
I started medium format with the Mamiya twin lens system. I had it all, you name it. I used it to photograph weddings, at the time. I switched over to the V system, and now, I don't do weddings anymore. But I have kept my Hasselblads, and built up my system, on an ongoing basis.

I have bought things that seemed OK from the outside, and I've bought things that I knew were broken or needing service. David Odess has worked on alot of my gear, as has Hasselblad USA, although I find them more expensive. Paul Ebel is another repair guy who has a good reputation, and he can work on the 500mm F8! David tells me he does not have the special Hasselblad tools for that job.

I think it's sort of like auto repair; it's bound to be expensive, but it needs to be done. Peace of mind is the biggest reward, other than the enjoyment that comes from using the older vintage equipment.
 
I think it's sort of like auto repair; it's bound to be expensive, but it needs to be done. Peace of mind is the biggest reward, other than the enjoyment that comes from using the older vintage equipment.

There is a strong similarity between cars and Hasselblad gear:
You can get away with a certain amount of neglect for a while but in the end reliability and performance will suffer from skipped maintenance.
Keep in mind all V series bodies and lenses are purely mechanical devices that need to be cleaned and lubed at intervals.

Equipment that sees moderate use could do with a service every five years.
Professionally and more frequent used gear likes to be serviced every three years.

Vic.
 
I'm very surprized to see that "Hasselblad for parts" sell very well and Hasselblad as new not allways more.
Last year I got the CV-39, so I renew my old lenses by new one.
I sold CF 150mm (4/10)180mm CF (7/10) a FE 150mm (like new 10/10) FE 110 (broken 1/10) allways starting prize at 1 euro. And full description of all bugs
And bought FE 110mm (9.5/10) CFE 180mm (10/10) FE 60-120mm (8.5/10)

The 110 was a crap and sold better than the Like new FE 150mm and the buyers of the 110mm and the one of the CF 150mm were very happy as the buyer of the FE 150mm drove me crazy.
I was surprized to pay only 300 euro to pass from an used CF to a like new CFE 180mm and about 400 euro to sell an broken FE 110 and buy a like new one.
Apparently, there are a lot of repairman able to restore lenses over this world.
I'm no more afraid to sell broken lenses for repair at 1 euro starting prize shipping worldwide included, there is a market on Internet for them. Of course you have to describe all bugs and defaults.
The buyer of "for repair lenses" ask no question and is happy to find ithem, as buyer of "like new" are never happy as they find the same lens (with a little differense) 2 weeks after for less.

Perhaps the next lens I will sell, I will brake it to save time and nerves.:)
 
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